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espresso_obsession
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Posted Tue Sep 23, 2008, 6:40am
Subject: Expobar Brewtus II vs. Vibiemme Double Boiler PID
 

Sorry another comparison question, but different than the one below.

I am looking for a double boiler machine with PID.  I want to stay around 2000 CDN or below, so the Izzo Duetto is out of my range.  I am thinking between the Brewtus II and the new Vibiemme Double Boiler with PID (Double DOMO).  Does anyone have any actual experience with both machines to compare and contrast the two ?

Beyond creativecookware.com for the Brewtus II and coffeephilter.com for the Vibiemme DoubleDOMO, does anyone know other Canadian dealers for these machines ?

Thanks for your help

 
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Posted Tue Sep 23, 2008, 8:26am
Subject: Re: Expobar Brewtus II vs. Vibiemme Double Boiler PID
 

do you have to have Chrome??

if not then the La Spaz vivaldi II  -- water tank version.  under 2 K.  www.caffeetech.com

the Expobar  products are generally inferior to the Italian makes, and the Vib has shipped to very few end users.  

and BTW, don't  BURN yourself on the outer housing of the Vib!
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Posted Tue Sep 23, 2008, 9:03am
Subject: Re: Expobar Brewtus II vs. Vibiemme Double Boiler PID
 

The replacement boiler 'kit' I installed also included several large sheets of mylar-backed insulation, so I believe it's safe to assume VMB now fully insulates the front panel and the left side panel in new shipments. It will still feel quite warm, but definitely not a burn hazard. It would be nice if new shipment/V2 vibe/rotary owners would report back if this is indeed the case. :)
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Posted Tue Sep 23, 2008, 1:55pm
Subject: Re: Expobar Brewtus II vs. Vibiemme Double Boiler PID
 

just found out VBM revision will be going up to 2300-2400.
So it may be more than I want to spend.

I considered the Vivaldi 2 but was turned off by the smaller PF. I would like to be able to get alternative PF and triple baskets easily.

I will have to review the brewtus 2 reviews in the archives. Plus my friends may buy one and I can see how they like it

 
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Posted Tue Sep 23, 2008, 7:06pm
Subject: Re: Expobar Brewtus II vs. Vibiemme Double Boiler PID
 

wideasleep1 Said:

It would be nice if new shipment/V2 vibe/rotary owners would report back if this is indeed the case. :)

Posted September 23, 2008 link

I would absolutely love to report back on my new Vibiemme Double Boiler machine that arrived today. Sadly I'm now in day 11 of no power (Houston) thanks to Ike. Hopefully I've got power by Saturday as friends will be coming over to help put the new machine through it's paces.
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Posted Wed Sep 24, 2008, 12:48am
Subject: Re: Expobar Brewtus II vs. Vibiemme Double Boiler PID
 

BV Said:

I would absolutely love to report back on my new Vibiemme Double Boiler machine that arrived today. Sadly I'm now in day 11 of no power (Houston) thanks to Ike. Hopefully I've got power by Saturday as friends will be coming over to help put the new machine through it's paces.

Posted September 23, 2008 link

Wow..I empathize, and can only imagine what you're going through...hope both power and everyday life gets restored ASAP for you and Houston. Welcome to the forum, Paul, and congrats on your new 'toy'...you're starting out with the Rolls Royce, ya know... :D Hope to hear of your successful shotpulling sooner than later!
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Posted Wed Sep 24, 2008, 12:15pm
Subject: Re: Expobar Brewtus II vs. Vibiemme Double Boiler PID
 

You put your insulation on the front/side panels?  I put it on the stainless divider between the water and the boilers.  Figured I'd rather have the water insulated than anything else.
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Posted Thu Sep 25, 2008, 12:07am
Subject: Re: Expobar Brewtus II vs. Vibiemme Double Boiler PID
 

networkcrasher Said:

You put your insulation on the front/side panels?  I put it on the stainless divider between the water and the boilers.  Figured I'd rather have the water insulated than anything else.

Posted September 24, 2008 link

Yep...I surmised that the MUCH larger boiler required the sides and front to be protected..what was about an inch of room between the faceplate and side, is now down to less than an eighth of an inch..the mylar has just a millimeter of airspace before it touches the steam boiler on my side panel. BTW, whoever shipped my Vibi did some serious banging on it...the exterior was flawless (thankfully), but the leaks I had were a result of the boilers shifting more than an inch from the location they were installed, bending those HEAVY copper lines atop. I'll post pics at what I faced when I first tried to fit the larger boiler..it simply had no room!

Pics here: Click Here (picasaweb.google.com)
Note the pic where I hold the new steam boiler touching the brew boiler..it exceeds the side clearance by at least a quarter inch..then look at how bent the heavy copper lines were up top...the box took a BIG drop when it was 'dropshipped'! :| I managed, and it looks/works great, but still...

Apologies to Lawrence, for hijacking his thread.
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Posted Thu Sep 25, 2008, 6:04am
Subject: Re: Expobar Brewtus II vs. Vibiemme Double Boiler PID
 

I'm surprised the boilers could move that much. Aren't the boilers rigidly mounted to the framework or are they just floating around in there?

 
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Posted Thu Sep 25, 2008, 6:09am
Subject: Re: Expobar Brewtus II vs. Vibiemme Double Boiler PID
 

They're basically hanging by the pipes that connect the boilers to their appropriate outlets/inlets.  It's pretty rigid, but apparently UPS is good at finding weak points.

I had to place my steam boiler slightly further back from the front panel and it fit fine.  My main boiler is similar in location but didn't require any movement.  Mine had shifted down towards the bottom of the chassis, but not to any other direction.
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