wideasleep1 Senior Member Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 1,670 Location: Tiburon,Ca Expertise: I live coffee
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Posted Thu Sep 25, 2008, 10:48am Subject: Re: Expobar Brewtus II vs. Vibiemme Double Boiler PID
Agreed, they're extremely rigid as is, despite not being bound to the frame. There are enough copper lines attached to each, some heavy and large, to keep the boilers perfectly stable. I had to remove the brew boiler, as I wasn't strong enough to bend it's copper supply the inch I needed, even laying the machine down on it's side (I'm 6 foot,240lbs). I resorted to using leverage and a channel-lock larger than the picture shows to reclaim my inch, methodically so the line didn't bench or kink. Same procedure for the steam outlet, but it was a smaller line, and easier access. Vibi had wisely double-boxed these, but it would have literally taken a 2-3 story drop to cause the force needed to move these boilers like that, and obviously on the side, in my case. The outer box was a square footprint and slightly short/stocky, with about 4-5 inches of space for cushioning/peanuts all around, Vibi box was centered perfectly and sitting right-side up, with no indication of any disturbance. I'm fairly certain Vibi has tapped the boilers and now mounts them to the frame, as my new replacement boiler is now bolted to the frame at the bottom. Jim's (1st-Line) "Version 2" list will most-likely show this change. It's VERY easy to see how the issue could not be anticipated, though..if you had tried to move the attached boilers yourself. It's still hard to believe, even after I saw it with my own eyes, and bloodied my own knuckles over it. :p Perhaps UPS just threw the box out of the plane as it flew over the distribution center!
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