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tamanaco
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Espresso: Saeco Classico
Posted Wed Jul 16, 2008, 6:34am
Subject: Saeco Classico acting up... Help!
 

I have a Saeco Classico for approx. 4 years and have been very happy with it. A few weeks back the LED ready light (LED on the lower left switch) stopped working, but the machine continued to brew. I just waited for the click before brewing any coffee. Two or three days ago the machine appeared to struggle to brew coffee. I noticed that there was not enough pressure coming out of the brew head. My dilemma is that I don't know if I have a pump problem, a clocked component or a bad switch (sensor) some where. There appears to be enough pump pressure to get steam out, but not enough to brew coffee. When I open the steam valve I can see the pump working as the level of the reservoir comes down at a good pace. But once I close the steam and start the brewing process the pump makes its normal pumping sound for a few seconds and then quiets down. The reservoir level remains unchanged. It feels like it can't push hard enough. I used to get the same sound when the grinds were packed too tight. One it quiets down it is evident that there is little pressure coming out of the brew head as the "shower head" leaks water instead of spraying the water with some pressure. The funny thing is that the machine brews the first and sometimes the second cup of coffee in the morning with no problem. I guess after is left to cool off for a long period something goes back to normal. Thinking that there was something stuck some where, I cleaned/descaled the machine using a powder called Cleancaf, but I still have the same problem. Any suggestions as to what to try next to identify the failing component before I order any parts? I have not taken any of the internals apart yet for fear of damaging  the seals (gaskets) in the joints. I'm skilled enough to take it apart, but a step by step process that would help identify the failing component and a pointer on where I can get the broken component at a fair price would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advanced...
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tamanaco
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Posted Tue Jul 22, 2008, 8:50am
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Wow!... lots of views, but no replies. Not even suggestion on what the suspect component should be?... Oh well... in the mean time I have another question... What's a step up from the Saeco Classico?... I've been reading about the Silvia, but my wife thinks is a bit expensive. Anything in the Gaggia line in the $300 to $400 range that I should be looking at. Looking to buy something smaller or of the same size of the Saeco, but of same or better quality... Suggestions???
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Posted Tue Jul 22, 2008, 2:49pm
Subject: Re: Saeco Classico acting up... Help!
 

Clean the showerscreen
descale the unit
and see if any improvement is made

 
Stefano Cremonesi
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Posted Wed Jul 23, 2008, 6:37am
Subject: Re: Saeco Classico acting up... Help!
 

seldom a pump problem.

it is clogged.  99% certain.  time for a teardown.

dave
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tamanaco
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Posted Mon Jul 28, 2008, 7:24am
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xdavez Said:

seldom a pump problem.

it is clogged.  99% certain.  time for a teardown.

dave

Posted July 23, 2008 link

Ok, I took it apart over the w/e, but I can not identify which component is at fault. I took the whole boiler unit apart and cleaned the inside, but it was not dirty at all to begin. I use filtered water to make my coffee all the time. I removed the internal boiler tube from the boiler bottom and every thing looks as clean as whistle. I pushed the little silicone ball valve that leads to the brew head and it seems to be working fine, in other words, the spring moves freely as I push it with the end of a paper clip. The shower screen is super clean all the little holes are clear. While the boiler is apart,  if I blow air from the Teflon tube attached to the boiler top there is no obstruction whatsoever.  After cleaning it and putting it together I can not longer blow air with my mouth with enough pressure to get any air out through the brew head. The boiler is sealed tight. Once I turn it on,  I notice that the brew heads drips a little bit of water. There are no water leaks around the boiler, hoses or pump. If I click the brew button I can hear pump working hard, but then it seems to quiet down. I can see that there is not enough pressure coming out of the brew head. I also took apart the portafilter and cleaned it, but attaching the portafilter still makes no difference.

I disconnected the pump to test it, but I don't know how strongly it should be pumping out the water?  How far from the pump should it shot the water? The water comes out in a steady stream, but not with so much pressure that the water shots out at any significant distance. I say a steady stream which drops down after an inch or so.  Just a constant flow. If it try to plug the outlet of the pump with my thumb, water sprays around my finger... I can not stop it... so there is some pressure there. What else can be wrong?
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tamanaco
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Posted Mon Aug 4, 2008, 8:55am
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Well, another week has gone by and the machine only brews "maybe" the 1st cup in the morning. After that the pump just seems not to have enough force to push the water through the brew head with any considerable amount of force. I'm starting to suspect the pump. The only other component that might be giving me problems is the boiler outlet valve to the brew head, but I doubt it. Is there any other way that I can test the pump? Where is the best place to get the pump online at a good price? Does anyone know of a place in New York City that might have these pumps in stock?

Thanks...
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Posted Tue Aug 5, 2008, 7:44pm
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Hi
  Check ebay.  They have pumps on there all the time.
Jerry
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tamanaco
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Posted Tue Aug 12, 2008, 8:29am
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cafewest_tech Said:

Hi
  Check ebay.  They have pumps on there all the time.
Jerry

Posted August 5, 2008 link

Thanks Jerry, I found a vendor in eBay selling this pump -> Click Here (cgi.ebay.com)

It says that this pump is the EAX5 not the EX5. The EAX5 is supposed to be an "upgraded" model with metal instead of plastic internals. Does anyone know if this true? Is $45 a fair price? Also, I'm interested in getting one of the LED black switches on the front on the machine. Do you know where I can get those? I'm hoping to order both parts at the same time and if possible from the same vendor. I want to kill two birds with one stone.

Thanks...
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tamanaco
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Espresso: Saeco Classico
Posted Sun Aug 17, 2008, 11:04am
Subject: Re: Saeco Classico acting up... Help!
 

I'm about to pull the trigger on this  EAX5 pump... someone stop me if you think is not the right pump or if it's too expensive. I'm also waiting on an answer on where to get the black switches.

Thanks again
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tamanaco
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Espresso: Saeco Classico
Posted Mon Aug 25, 2008, 12:55pm
Subject: Re: Saeco Classico acting up... Help!
 

Ok, got the pump from the guy in eBay for $45 with free shipping.  I installed it this past weekend and  I'm back drinking coffee from my Saeco. The pump was the problem. I still will like to know where I can get the black switches with the green LEDs so that I know when the machine is ready to brew.

Thanks to all for your help
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