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Tim_Bernardo
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Posted Sun Dec 30, 2007, 7:47pm
Subject: Another thread about new machine advice
 

Hi all!  Finally going to take the plunge in the next couple months and get some real espresso equipment (I've got this Mr. Coffee that I got for my wedding tucked away somewhere).  I've got it narrowed down to two machines...the Quickmill Andreja Premium and Izzo Alex.  They are right at the top of my price range plus a  Mazzer Mini so I don't want to spend more than these machines.  The two main differences for me are the pumps and plumbing.  I understand that the Andreja is a vibe pump and pour over and the Alex is a rotary pump with pour over and plumb-in.  I do like that there is the option of plumbing with the Alex as I may want to have it plumbed one day but not right now.  I've looked around for the difference between the two and only came down to 1) noise and 2) brewing pressure.  I'm not too worried about the noise, but I would like to know how each affects the brewing pressure.  Is the brewing pressure something I should look at when considering my purchase?  I was also wondering about PID's, which I know pretty much nothing of.  Will I get consistently great results without one?  I was considering the Brewtus with the digitally controlled temperature, but it's just out of my price range.  Thanks in advance for the help and if anyone has any other suggestions for a machine under $1500 please mention them.

 
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Posted Sun Dec 30, 2007, 8:51pm
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You might want to look around for a refurbished Brewtus II. They're usually available for $1400 and come with the full factory warranty. No PID at that price but it's a great machine none-the-less. I've never used a PID'd machine, but it's hard to imagine anything being more consistant. I've used a refurb'd B-II everyday for almost two years and love it.

 
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Posted Sun Dec 30, 2007, 11:37pm
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Tim_Bernardo Said:

Is the brewing pressure something I should look at when considering my purchase?

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No, each machine has a method of adjusting this if needed, however this is not something that hardly ever needs adjustment. This really isn't an issue to worry about between these machines because they will both brew at the same pressure if you set them to do so.

 I was also wondering about PID's, which I know pretty much nothing of.  Will I get consistently great results without one?

Not a problem at all. Of course consistency requires some skills, which require practice to acquire, but the learning curve isn't too steep at all.

Either of these machines will do fine.
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Posted Mon Dec 31, 2007, 4:46am
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Thanks for the replies so far.

Bobcat, I'll look into it.  I didn't see one at Wholelattelove when I checked their refurbs.

Everman, thanks for clarifying about the pumps.  I saw a thread that had something about the brew pressure but couldn't find it to read again and remembering it made me curious.  I'm not looking to PID anything right away (if these machines are able to be PIDed anyway, I don't know) so your answer to that helps a lot.  I'm looking forward to the learning curve, I think it'll be fun.  I know some basics since I took Intelly's barista class so I'm hopeful to pull some drinkable shots in my first few tries.

Thanks again and please, if anyone else has a comment, I'd love to hear it.

 
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Posted Wed Jan 2, 2008, 11:22am
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Ok people...I know a lot of you have either of these machines and would like to hear even your biased input :)  Also, the La Scala Butterfly has come to my attention.  I found it about $200 cheaper and want to know if anyone thinks I'll be happier with the Andreja which I have enough saved up to pay for.  Any input would help greatly as I have spent many hours researching and learning a lot about espresso machines and you guys are my next to last resource...I may have to fly to NY to visit Chris and see the machines in person.  Thanks again!

 
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Posted Wed Jan 2, 2008, 12:56pm
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I think you  meant unbiased opinnion.
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Posted Wed Jan 2, 2008, 1:58pm
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Iluvdabean Said:

I think  meant unbiased opinnion.

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No, I did mean biased...I would like to hear why owners of each particular machine like theirs over another....which would be a biased opinion :)

 
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Posted Sat Jan 5, 2008, 6:10pm
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OK everybody....still need some help!!  I think the Andreja may be a little out of my range, now that the price went up after New Years.  I went back and looked at the Anita and it seems to have everything the Andreja does, especially the insides, except a few novelties that I can probably do without, am I assuming correctly?  If so, that would be great as I will be able to grab some extra goodies (naked portafilter, cooler tamper, etc.).  For a few days now I've been set on the Andreja...do you guys (and gals!) think I'll be happy with the Anita.  Please, I do value others opinions especially fellow CoffeeGeeks with such a big purchase.

 
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Posted Sun Jan 6, 2008, 9:49pm
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Looks like I'm in the same boat as you my friend.  I'm considering all the same machines and I'm still in the process of researching.  It's a constant back and forth for me between paying for extras so that you won't need to upgrade and getting the most for your money.  The former seems to be winning.  If you're like me, you're walking around the kitchen and then other frequently used rooms imagining how one might arrange for a water source and drain.

I'm actually enjoying the process of picking out gear by doing searches on the forums and getting to know different machines and the enthusiasts in the community.  Although at moments, I feel a bit silly when I realize how much time I'm spending.  Maybe part of the coffee experience is letting go of that practical part even for a fleeting moment and achieving nirvana through the senses... or at least getting lost in the pursuit of that moment.  I'm finding out that I like coffee people.

Good luck.  I'm off to search the forums for more info on the Alex...
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Posted Mon Jan 7, 2008, 11:36am
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bugbus Said:

Looks like I'm in the same boat as you my friend.  I'm considering all the same machines and I'm still in the process of researching.  It's a constant back and forth for me between paying for extras so that you won't need to upgrade and getting the most for your money.  The former seems to be winning.  If you're like me, you're walking around the kitchen and then other frequently used rooms imagining how one might arrange for a water source and drain.

I'm actually enjoying the process of picking out gear by doing searches on the forums and getting to know different machines and the enthusiasts in the community.  Although at moments, I feel a bit silly when I realize how much time I'm spending.  Maybe part of the coffee experience is letting go of that practical part even for a fleeting moment and achieving nirvana through the senses... or at least getting lost in the pursuit of that moment.  I'm finding out that I like coffee people.

Good luck.  I'm off to search the forums for more info on the Alex...

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Ya know, I think I have finally narrowed it down to the Anita.  I was looking for an HX since dual boilers are out of my price range and I don't think I want the Brewtus.  I can do without the nitpicky things like no burn steam wands (I've used my father-in-law's Livia many times without getting burnt).  I think the only major thing I'll be missing would be the direct connect option the Andreja has, but anyway, where I am right now I wouldn't be able to plumb the machine.  Anita has pretty much the same insides as Andreja so the espresso quality should be the same so Anita it is!

Yeah, I guess going through the process is pretty fun, going through the forums and talking to CGer's and all.  I too spent countless hours researching...especially at work LoL!  Well, good luck with your search bugbus...let me know what you decide on.

 
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