Posted Mon Jun 25, 2007, 11:45am Subject: Re: External water level indicator for Andreja
About a couple of months ago someone posted the same question for a Silvia. It started me thinking. I am planning such a device with no cutting of the machine. When I finish it I will try to post pictures. It may be adaptable to the Andreja.
My Andreja Premium cuts off mid-shot, and without warning, when the water level falls too low. As there is no external water level indicator, this can become frustrating.
Where my machine is currently positioned, hooking it to the water mains is not an option.
Does anyone know of a mod, or an independent water level indicator that I can stand in the water reservoir to monitor the level?
Are you sure you need to worry about a mod? It actually sounds to me as though you have a defect in your normal water level monitoring system. I'm not sure if you're covered under warranty, or how handy you may be yourself, but there are 2 magnetic sensors that should do this for you, and give you at least 2 shots worth during the "audible" alert that the water level is too low. I think it's documented to be 4 shots, but I've never tried to run it that dry.... :)
Let me know if you want me to check out my machine a little closer to either post pictures or compare it to your own config to try troubleshoot if you think it'll help.
Thanks for the clarification... I just made an assumption that all "Premium" Andreja's were modified as the ones you resell, but that is great to know.
Just to eliminate any further assumptions, I would suspect that s0uthpaw could place and order for those types of parts to add to his configuration - would that be correct?
Personally, I think it's a great addition to machines that aren't plumbed in - but I'm using mine often enough (and consequently, hearing that alert) that I'm working with Chris' Canadian counterpart in Edmonton, AB to work on getting my direct connect kit shortly. I may be contacting you Chris to order the filter / softner setup you offer, but I'll talk to Joe from CaffeTech first to see if he resells those too.
Posted Thu Jun 28, 2007, 10:49am Subject: Re: External water level indicator for Andreja
Just a thought,
Provided you could get a replacement water tank (in case you screw up), you COULD try drilling a hole in the side of the tank, near the bottom, run a small food grade clear plastic tube through the hole (hole needs to be sealed with an appropriate food grade sealant...perhaps some sort of sealable flange or tap could be installed...for example a short food grade plastic pipe threaded on one or both ends, with plastic nuts and and rubber washers to seal), run the tubing down and out of the machine (perhaps through the covered hole in the bottom, provided there is room), and affix up the side of the machine to a point level with the top of the water tank. This should show the water level in the tank (could even "hide" it behind the machine and affix to the top rail w/ a small tie). This could be tested prior to mods just to ensure the "physics" is correct but I'm pretty sure the water would flow into the tube to the same level as in the tank. Extra care would be needed in ensuring the tube exit at the tank is sealed to avoid leaks.
A simpler solution would be to figure out your water use per # of shots and then regularly add the correct volume of water (e.g., every 2 shots add X number of oz's). I use this approach and only hit "empty" when I forget to add water :).
Posted Thu Jun 28, 2007, 11:36am Subject: Re: External water level indicator for Andreja
That should work since water finds its own level, and this is sort of how my drip coffeemaker indicates the water level. I'd toss a little plastic colored float ball in the tubing to make it easier to see.
Posted Thu Jun 28, 2007, 1:38pm Subject: Re: External water level indicator for Andreja
Another mod you could do without touching the tank would be to create a float with a rod attached to it. Place it in the tank so the rod comes up through the fill hole. In order to keep the rod perpendicular to the top of the water you might have replace the fill hold cover with one with a tube through which the rod can pass. Then put a mark on the rod indicating the level at which the tank has to be refilled.
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