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clowone
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Posted Mon Feb 5, 2007, 7:32am
Subject: New Machine Advice: Gaggia, Rancilio or Solis
 

Hi,

I am buying a new espresso machine but are experiencing some doubts to which one to buy; below my preliminary choices and pros and cons of each choice:

Gaggia Classic
Price: 250 Eur
Pro's: Cheap, Looks good
Con's: Aluminium Boiler(?), start up time (6 min)

Rancilio Silvia
Price: 450
Pro's: Bigger water container, Copper Boiler
Con's: Twice as expensive as the Gaggia, start up time (7/8 min)

Solis Type 110
Price: 350
Pro's: Modern Look, Copper Boiler
Con's: Its not the 70

What I'm looking for is a good espresso, looks aren't that important price is though (im a student) max for me is 500Eur.

You can find the range I have to choose from, should you have any other recommendations, here:
http://www.koffiewarenhuis.nl/category.php?id=9
Click Here (www.kieskeurig.nl)

Thanks for any replys!
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Posted Mon Feb 5, 2007, 7:47am
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If good straight espresso is what you seek I think the Silvia would be the top choice.

bc

 
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Posted Mon Feb 5, 2007, 8:26am
Subject: Re: New Machine Advice: Gaggia, Rancilio or Solis
 

Welcome.

You didn't mention what grinder you have in your post.  Without a suitable grinder, none of the machines will work for you.  My own personal choice would be the best grinder I could find and a Gaggia Espresso.  Plastic case instead of metal and no 3 way solenoid valve, but, less than half the cost of the Gaggia Classic.  I am not familiar with European prices, but, you should be able to get the Gaggia Espresso and perhaps a Mazzer Mini or Macap M4 stepless for close to your maximum price.  Stay away from the Gran Gaggia or Gaggia Cubika.  They are inferior machines that don't enjoy the same reputation as the higher priced Gaggia machines.  

While the Silvia is a good machine, it is worthless without a good grinder.

Good luck,

Fred
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Posted Mon Feb 5, 2007, 8:57am
Subject: Re: New Machine Advice: Gaggia, Rancilio or Solis
 

Fred1 Said:

Welcome.

You didn't mention what grinder you have in your post.  Without a suitable grinder, none of the machines will work for you.  My own personal choice would be the best grinder I could find and a Gaggia Espresso.  Plastic case instead of metal and no 3 way solenoid valve, but, less than half the cost of the Gaggia Classic.  I am not familiar with European prices, but, you should be able to get the Gaggia Espresso and perhaps a Mazzer Mini or Macap M4 stepless for close to your maximum price.  Stay away from the Gran Gaggia or Gaggia Cubika.  They are inferior machines that don't enjoy the same reputation as the higher priced Gaggia machines.  

While the Silvia is a good machine, it is worthless without a good grinder.

Good luck,

Fred

Posted February 5, 2007 link

Yes, I agree with this and was just focusing on the question.  Don't bother buying any of them if you don't have a GOOD grinder.  Buy the Silvia if you can afford that PLUS a good grinder but if not then get a Gaggia plus a good grinder (the $200 Cunill Tranquilo as a  minimum).

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Posted Mon Feb 5, 2007, 10:30am
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I really like the features of the Gaggia machines but better than that are the prices.  Look the Gaggia Espresso can make outstanding espresso (very comparable to the Silvia from what I have read) at a much lower cost (you are on a budget afterall aren't you)?  Remember it's about the espresso!

So take the money you save by buying a Gaggia and put that into a grinder, that's way more important anyway.

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Posted Mon Feb 5, 2007, 4:49pm
Subject: Re: New Machine Advice: Gaggia, Rancilio or Solis
 

Thanks for the great advice!

So budgetwise I'm going to do the following;

Find a good grinder, then use the rest of the money to buy the espresso machine.

When I follow this reasoning, the silvia falls out of the equation. This leaves two (in my view) combinations:

Gaggia Classic with Gaggia MDF ( Click Here (www.koffiewarenhuis.nl) ) 250 + 188 = 438

or

Solis 110 with Solis Maestro Plus ( Click Here (www.koffiewarenhuis.nl) ) 348 + 138 = 486

I'm doubting because of the good review on this site of the Solis 70, was that a better product than the 110 (which seems to be newer)??

And because the warm up time of the Gaggia and I've read some complaints about the boiler being aluminum?
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Posted Mon Feb 5, 2007, 7:24pm
Subject: Re: New Machine Advice: Gaggia, Rancilio or Solis
 

clowone Said:


Gaggia Classic with Gaggia MDF ( Click Here (www.koffiewarenhuis.nl) ) 250 + 188 = 438

Solis 110 with Solis Maestro Plus ( Click Here (www.koffiewarenhuis.nl) ) 348 + 138 = 486

I'm doubting because of the good review on this site of the Solis 70, was that a better product than the 110 (which seems to be newer)??

Posted February 5, 2007 link


In the US the Solis 110 is called the Breville 800.  Here is a link to reviews. "Breville Espresso 800ESXL"
you are correct it is a new design.  It looks like it is getting pretty good reviews.  


And because the warm up time of the Gaggia and I've read some complaints about the boiler being aluminum?

The aluminum boiler is OK.  Do not let that stop you.  The Gaggia is a proven design that has stood the test of time.
The MDF is a better espresso grinder than the Maestro.  

Go with the Gaggia package.  The Classic has 58mm portafilter & a 3-way solenoid valve.  The MDF uses professional quality burrs very similar to the Rancilio Rocky.  Plus you will save 50 euros.

Ed
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Posted Tue Feb 6, 2007, 1:55pm
Subject: Re: New Machine Advice: Gaggia, Rancilio or Solis
 

Clowone,

      I agree with the other posts. The Gaggia machines are well built and make great espresso or cappuccino. They are cheaper (cost wise) than the Silvia. I have a Gaggia Classic, Carezza + coffee and they all work well.

       I have a Solis Maestro plus grinder that works well. Best of luck


                                                        Joe
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Posted Tue Feb 6, 2007, 8:06pm
Subject: Re: New Machine Advice: Gaggia, Rancilio or Solis
 

The start up, or warm up time for all of these machines is more like 30mins minimum. Generally the more metal the longer.

A grinder has already been mentioned, also make sure you use good beans. Something roasted less than a week ago is best.
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