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FXDXT
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Posted Tue Aug 5, 2003, 6:38pm
Subject: IS there a reason not to buy Wega Mininova
 

There is al ways a lot of advice given on what machines to buy. What I am looking for is a valid reason not to buy the Mininova. Casa Del Caffe is selling it for 1999.00 Can. (US dollars it is around $1430.00 plus another $100.00 for shipping). Thatís the best price Iíve seen on the web. Iíve had my Silvia for 4 plus years now. Most of the mods have been done, PID, pressure adjustment, HD Portafilter. The Mininova just looks to good to pass up. (Yes I have up grade fever)

I drink milk-based drinks most of the time so a Heat Exchange machine will help in the area immensely. The other problem is that I live close enough to Stumptown to use their beans and drink their espresso. The Silvia just canít compete in this department. Will the Wega Mininova compare any better??? I would think it would.

You thoughts on this would be much appreciated

Tom

http://www.casadelcaffe.com/cesp.htm
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Posted Tue Aug 5, 2003, 7:13pm
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The real question: Is there a reason not to buy an HX machine?  With the modifications you've made to Silvia, your straight shots are hard to beat.  I never PID'd Silvia before upgrading, but Mike Walsh (CupaJoeKid) pulled some shots from his and they were excellent.  I have a new appreciation for temperature control.

OTOH, having recently gotten an HX machine, I agree that steam on demand is a big bonus.  I'm perhaps not a good person to ask.  I upgraded, inline plumbed, and put in a drain.  No refilling, no emptying driptrays, just pull and steam.  Funny thing is, adding the drainline was probably the biggest "bang for the buck" in terms of improving my enjoyment of preparing my daily espresso / latte.  It cost only about $20 in plumbing and a short half day's work.  Go figure.  

When it comes to milk-based drinks, Silvia already steams a very good microfoam.  La Valentina is definitely better in terms of consistency and the steam is a lot drier (no sputter, no huge "hills and valleys" of steaming strength, and no waiting).  Nonetheless, I believe it is more about convenience than side-by-side superiority of one result over another.  The bottom line: How much are you willing to pay for convenience?  For me it was a big splurge and one that I worked a lot of overtime to pay for (if you have trouble sleeping tonight <g>, read the article that helped pay for La Valentina by clicking here).  

-- Dan

PS: I considered the Wega Lyra and a few other machines before deciding on La Valentina; I noted why I didn't go with some of them here.  Truth be told, I think the differences get almost too subtle at the pricepoint you're considering.  In the end, there's a lot of subjectiveness.

 
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Posted Tue Aug 5, 2003, 8:27pm
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The biggest difference I see between the 2 machines is that the Wega has a rotary pump.
For about the same price minus the shipping.

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Posted Wed Aug 6, 2003, 3:17am
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fxdxt Said:

The biggest difference I see between the 2 machines is that the Wega has a rotary pump.

Posted August 6, 2003 link

According to espressoparts.com, the rotary pump is an additional $690.  It looks like an impressive machine.  I like that it can be direct plumbed w/o modification.  The reviews are very positive.

-- Dan

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Posted Wed Aug 6, 2003, 5:01am
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Dan, after having a look at that article you wrote, I'd say that you deserve whatever coffee machine you want... :-)
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Posted Wed Aug 6, 2003, 8:25am
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Please check the link below Casa Del Caffe is selling a fully automatic/rotary pump machine for about $1400.00. This is more than 600.00 cheaper than Espresso parts NW.
The Mininova at Casa Del Caffe looks more like a Lyra
http://www.casadelcaffe.com/cesp.htm


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Posted Wed Aug 6, 2003, 8:37am
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How does one go about hooking the drain up to plumb out?
My plumbed in Isomac is not near a sink. The water comes up from a pipe tap in the basement below.

 
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Posted Wed Aug 6, 2003, 9:31am
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fxdxt Said:

Please check the link below Casa Del Caffe is selling a fully automatic/rotary pump machine for about $1400.00.

Posted August 6, 2003 link

Wow, it's really nice looking in all stainless.  And that price is attractive too.  Sorry, I can't think of a reason not to buy it.  :-)

-- Dan

 
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Posted Wed Aug 6, 2003, 9:49am
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Tom,

The Mininova that Casa Del is selling is the Lyra. They are sell it under the name Mininova, when it should be Mininova 2002 or Lyra, no difference. The old style MIninova (black top is no longer available) The price is good, given you are willing to pay duty as well. I guess I would consider shopping the price a little. You might be suprised what kind of deals you get by asking ;-)

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Posted Wed Aug 6, 2003, 9:51am
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alanmushnick Said:

How does one go about hooking the drain up to plumb out?
My plumbed in Isomac is not near a sink. The water comes up from a pipe tap in the basement below.

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If your machine is in a kitchen, then plumbing can't be too far away.  The kitchen sink is across the room in my case, but that's a simple matter of drilling a few holes.  I tapped water from the fridge icemaker hookup and ran a drainline down into the existing plumbing below in the crawlspace / basement.  It is a little less convenient if you have a finished basement, since you have to open up the ceiling / walls (I've still got a hole to sand and patch in my office ceiling).  Since the drain debit is so small, I used 3/4" CPVC so I wouldn't have to drill through the countertop.  La Valentina has enough clearance underneath to allow it.  I took the easy way out and drilled a hole in the driptray and fit a flat surface mount adapter to it.  The weight of the machine and a rubber gasket on the bottom of the driptray makes it watertight.

Each installation is different, and each machine hookup will be different.  It isn't hard if you're reasonably handy and like doing that sort of thing.  I'm sure you could hire it all out to a plumber, although I wouldn't expect it to be cheap.  It's a reasonable half-day's work and they charge by the hour (and many don't charge less than a half-day's work).  I like doing this sort of stuff myself and tossed ideas back and forth with a helpful and experienced guy in the plumbing department at Home Depot.  We went through a few boneheaded approaches before landing on the one I went with.  :-)

The Wega Mininova would simplify things since it was designed for this sort of installation.

-- Dan

 
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