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HaEs
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Joined: 29 Jul 2005
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Espresso: Miss Silvia
Grinder: Rocky DL
Drip: Braun
Posted Fri Jul 29, 2005, 12:26pm
Subject: In need of advice: Rancilio Rocky or Rocky SD?
 

Hello fellow geeks,

I'm new in the astonishing world of piston machines, grinders and beans...
After reading many reviews I decided to order a Rancilio Silvia together with a Rocky grinder. I first wanted to buy a Solis Maestro Plus grinder, but after having seen it in a shop, I didn't like the 'cheap' plastic look of it. So I decided for a Rocky.
My question is, there are two types of Rocky's: just 'Rocky' and the 'Rocky SD' which lacks the container for the grind. What exactly are the differences between the normal and the SD version? Which one is preferable (and why)?

Any thoughts appreciated.

HaEs: Rocky.jpg

 
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GeorgeA
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Joined: 24 Feb 2003
Posts: 93
Location: Charlotte, NC
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto II
Grinder: Mazzer Mini E Doserless
Vac Pot: Hario Deco; Cory
Drip: Melior French Press;...
Roaster: Not just yet, but leaning
Posted Fri Jul 29, 2005, 1:10pm
Subject: Re: In need of advice: Rancilio Rocky or Rocky SD?
 

Which you decide upon is pretty much a personal preference.  The only difference between the two grinders is the doser, which is helpful in a commercial setting but, IMHO, pretty much a waste and inconvenience in a home setting.  To me the advantage of the doserless, is that is removes one more thing to catch ground coffee.

I only grind what I need for each espresso drink, or for the occassional vac pot of coffee.  This means measuring the beans to grind ahead of time, in order to grind exactly what you need.  I also use a small sink size plunger (a.k.a plumbers friend) to expel the residual grounds that inevitably stay in the chute following grinding.  I also use a small stainless steel pitcher under the chute to catch the grounds.  If you do not want to measure ahead of time and allow the doser to determine how much coffee goes into your portafilter, then the doser model may be for you.

The Rocky has been a good utilitarian ginder for me, and whenever I decide to upgrade, I will keep Rocky for drip, vac pot and French press grinding.

Good luck and have fun.

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bart1
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Joined: 7 Jun 2005
Posts: 54
Location: Alabama
Expertise: Just starting

Espresso: Sylvia
Grinder: Rocky DL
Drip: Bunn BT10
Roaster: Intelliegntsia!
Posted Fri Jul 29, 2005, 1:29pm
Subject: Re: In need of advice: Rancilio Rocky or Rocky SD?
 

I chose the Sylvia and Doserless Rocky recently when I started.  Very happy.  I think you don't need to leve the beans sitting there all day, so I went without the doser.  I just grind right into the PF and Shop Vac out the Rocky at the end of my "session".  

People have modified Rockys in tons of ways to get around this and other issues, try searching around and see what all you find.  So far, all I have done is put a few layers of masking tape on my lid's lip to make it airtight (air still comes in from the bottom)

Enjoy!

-Bart
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Espresso: Sylvia
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Roaster: Intelliegntsia!
Posted Fri Jul 29, 2005, 1:31pm
Subject: Re: In need of advice: Rancilio Rocky or Rocky SD?
 

"I civilized my Rocky"
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MichaelinA2
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Espresso: Miss Silvia (100)
Grinder: Mazzer Mini
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Fri Jul 29, 2005, 5:08pm
Subject: Re: In need of advice: Rancilio Rocky or Rocky SD?
 

Forget the Rocky and get a Mazzer quality grinder. When I compared the Rocky to the Mazzer Mini, I found the Rocky to be grossly overpriced (ie. you pay more for the Mazzer, but you get lots more in return). Your experience may be different, but I doubt it.

my $0.02...
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Posted Fri Jul 29, 2005, 7:14pm
Subject: Re: In need of advice: Rancilio Rocky or Rocky SD?
 

MichaelinA2 Said:

Forget the Rocky and get a Mazzer quality grinder. When I compared the Rocky to the Mazzer Mini, I found the Rocky to be grossly overpriced (ie. you pay more for the Mazzer, but you get lots more in return). Your experience may be different, but I doubt it.

my $0.02...

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While the above may be true, I believe the Rocky (mine is the DL...doserless...great for doing 2-4 shots...no need for a doser) would easily meet your needs for the time being...unlike the Solis and others, the Rocky holds it's value, so if you decide to "upgrade" in the future, say a year or so, you're sure to get much of it's original value back...assuming it's in fine shape...also, the Rocky is a bit easier to adjust for the times when you want to do vac pot/presspot, etc....
Once "Anita" (my new espresso machine) and I are better acquainted, I'll probably go the Mazzer route as a dedicated espresso grinder, and hopefully be able to keep the Rocky for other duties...if not, I'll find him a good home among the Geek community...

 
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CoffeeBeau
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Espresso: Quickmill Anita
Grinder: Rocky SD
Drip: Technovorm Moccamaster
Roaster: RK Drum
Posted Fri Jul 29, 2005, 8:12pm
Subject: Re: In need of advice: Rancilio Rocky or Rocky SD?
 

I have a Rocky doserless or Sans Doser in Italian.  It is my first bump up from a blade grinder, and what a world of difference.  I use it for morning drip and afternoon espersso.

It is a good all around condender,  I also agree with Rob and others that if I need a dedicated espersso grinder, I may look to a Mazzer or other high end grinder to fit the bill.

Best of luck, but read up on the modifications, ie click clack lid for flushing, and beans getting stuck.

Bob
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Posted Fri Jul 29, 2005, 8:22pm
Subject: Re: In need of advice: Rancilio Rocky or Rocky SD?
 

MichaelinA2 Said:

Forget the Rocky and get a Mazzer quality grinder. When I compared the Rocky to the Mazzer Mini, I found the Rocky to be grossly overpriced (ie. you pay more for the Mazzer, but you get lots more in return). Your experience may be different, but I doubt it.

my $0.02...

Posted July 29, 2005 link

Phone Chris Coffee. Ask them about their experience with the Rocky. I use a Mazzer Mini Electronic in my coffee bar and after talking with Chris Coffee, purchased a Rocky Doserless for my Anita at home. I found the Rocky at Chris Coffee price to be the best value for home. Your experience may be different, but I doubt it.
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Posted Fri Jul 29, 2005, 8:45pm
Subject: Re: In need of advice: Rancilio Rocky or Rocky SD?
 

Mazzer Spazzer !!Go with the Rocky.I mean by all means get the Mazzer if you can really afford it .Why not...I just dont want you to think that you would be making a foolish compromize by getting the Rocky,and spending another $200.00 for a pro espresso grinder that you dont really need.The Rocky is many steps better, in all ways than the Maestro, and only a couple of steps behind a Mazzer{at home}..If you have the money to buy a Mazzer, then why not buy a Pro espresso machine to go with it..Save your money for the $600.00 roaster that you will HAVE to have next month.....

But what do I know!
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MichaelinA2
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MichaelinA2
Joined: 9 Jun 2005
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Location: SE Michigan
Expertise: I like coffee

Espresso: Miss Silvia (100)
Grinder: Mazzer Mini
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Fri Jul 29, 2005, 9:00pm
Subject: Re: In need of advice: Rancilio Rocky or Rocky SD?
 

Let me expand a bit on my earlier observation...

Taking into account the glowing comments of many contributors to this forum, I selected the douserless Rocky to be my 'starter' grinder. As it turned out, the new Rocky I acquired was defective. Its grinding burrs were not aligned properly when it was built. As a result, it was impossible to produce a grind fine enough to be correctly processed by Miss Silvia. For a month, I tried every possible workaround, but no success. Frustrated, I did a Google search of "Rocky problems" and discovered the issue afflicting "my" Rocky was, in fact, an issue observed by others, too. Disappointed, I returned the Rocky to my dealer and received a full credit toward a Mazzer Mini. I did not want to spend the additional money on the Mini, but now I'm glad I did.

The Mazzer R-O-C-K-S and this makes my Miss Silvia very happy!!!

Lessons learned:

  1. Buy new from a reputable dealer with a return policy.
  2. If a Rocky is your choice, test the burr alignment using a magic marker to color one grind surface of the burr set. Zero the burr set and check to make sure the colored surface is wearing evenly. If the wear is uneven, great frustration awaits you.
  3. Avoid the hassle by taking a deep breath and forking out the $$ to get a Mazzer quality grinder in the first place.

Your experience may be different.

Enjoy... (my $0.50! )
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