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Kurgen99
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Joined: 10 Jul 2003
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Expertise: Beginner

Posted Thu Jul 10, 2003, 4:24pm
Subject: Help Choosing  Espresso Machine
 

I'm interested in either the:
Wega Lyra
ECM Giotto
Pasquini Livia/Auto
La Valentina

I drink double shots (Peets and Illy), NO SUGAR, so the frothing is for guests.

I was leaning toward the Giotto, but I have been given a highly favorable recommendation on the La Valintina.

I was thinking that an automatic would lead to a greater chance of reliability problems, however, they seem like they excel at providing consistent quality.

I would appreciate your comments on which one you like the best and is the most trouble free!

Do these machines really make espresso as well as a good coffee shop?
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HB
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Location: Cary, NC
Posted Thu Jul 10, 2003, 8:08pm
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Kurgen99 Said:

I drink double shots (Peets and Illy), NO SUGAR, so the frothing is for guests.

Posted July 10, 2003 link

What about the Isomac Zaffiro?  If espresso quality is the most important factor, Mark and others say that's the one to beat.  Of course, it is most practical if your requests for cappuccinos are few.  Since I just recently bought La Valentina, it's only fair that I mention why I didn't choose those on your list.

  • Wega Lyra - over my budget and too large (i.e., would barely squeeze under my cabinets).
  • ECM Giotto - I was between this one and La Valentina; aesthetics played a part.  An offline recommendation from another CG who's opinion I respect put La Valentina over the top ("I think it is about the best prosumer machine there is right now.").
  • Pasquini Livia/Auto - no E61 group.

Do these machines really make espresso as well as a good coffee shop?

It is rare that I find any cafe that can compete with what I make at home (Silvia/Rocky or La Valentina/Mazzer Mini).  I know of none in our area, although I'm still looking.  That unfortunately is more a statement of commercial establishments' failure.  This ain't rocket science and yet... well, don't get me started.

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Frenchie
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Joined: 5 Jun 2003
Posts: 48
Location: Sydney
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Isomac Zaffiro
Grinder: Mazzer Mini
Posted Fri Jul 11, 2003, 5:12am
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Kurgen99 Said:

I drink double shots (Peets and Illy), NO SUGAR, so the frothing is for guests.

Your consumption pattern appears to closely match mine. I have a Zaffiro. Ultimately, the choice for an espresso machine will really depends on your budget. Don't forget - as many have already pointed out on this forum - that with a good machine you really need a good grinder as well.

I've pulled maybe 100+ shots so far, done one piccolo latte. Am I happy with my Zaffiro and Mazzer Mini? Absolutely, I love them! Do I wish I had an HX? - maybe, though the need has not yet arisen. However, if I had a Giotto, say, I'd be dreaming about the 1-Group ECM Veneziano A 1; there never will be an end to the upgrade fever... For now, I am extremely happy to learn the trade on the Zaffiro.

If you are going to make regular lattes for your guests, get an HX, though.

Do these machines really make espresso as well as a good coffee shop?

I believe that the limitation is more likely to be in the "operator" (read home barista) rather than the espresso machine. Though I consider myself a beginner when it comes to preparing an espresso, I have been drinking the beverage for the past 15 years... very few cafes and restaurants (less than 10%) here in Australia make a better espresso than what I produce already. Most just don't care.

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rbh1515
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Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Location: Milwaukee
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: LM GS3
Grinder: Mahlkonig/VersalabM3
Vac Pot: have one
Drip: no
Roaster: got that too/never use it
Posted Fri Jul 11, 2003, 5:44am
Subject: Re: Help Choosing  Espresso Machine
 

Kurgen99 Said:

I'm interested in either the:
Wega Lyra
ECM Giotto
Pasquini Livia/Auto
La Valentina

I drink double shots (Peets and Illy), NO SUGAR, so the frothing is for guests.

I was leaning toward the Giotto, but I have been given a highly favorable recommendation on the La Valintina.

I was thinking that an automatic would lead to a greater chance of reliability problems, however, they seem like they excel at providing consistent quality.

I would appreciate your comments on which one you like the best and is the most trouble free!

Do these machines really make espresso as well as a good coffee shop?

Posted July 10, 2003 link

All the machines you mentioned are good.  You should also consider the Isomac Tea/Millenium. I think a lot of it comes down to looks, price, and size, and the quality of service you'll get from the vendor.

You can definately make better espresso than a good coffee shop--I was just in Seattle, and I think my espresso was better than most of the places I went to. You just need a very good grinder, good fresh beans, and time to perfect your technique.
Rob
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Kurgen99
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Posted Fri Jul 11, 2003, 9:13am
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Thank you all very much.  I really appreciate the feedback.
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