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DanoM
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Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 9:34am
Subject: Re: Modifying a Volumetric Single Group HX machine to a non Volumetric semi
 

1st Line has a 115vac version of that controller available.  Perhaps they can find the 230vac version for you too?

Gicar-Brain-Unit-9-5-17-85G00-115V-La-Vittoria-Classica-V1GE-148p1149

Out of Romania I see what appears to be the same part in 230v for about US$165:
Part 402245

Good luck!
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Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:40am
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Missing Mr. Boyt...
Hello. I do stop in here on occasion. The particular box probably can be repaired. I have fixed many that have been used as "fuses" in the middle of something else dying. I'm not at the shop right now but I also may have a used replacement box. If someone wanted to buy the 110 volt version new, I can replace the transformer with a 230volt. I install a fair amount of 230 volt transformers, often because someone puts a 110v box in a 220 machine. If there is still fiberglass circuit board I can fix it. When Mr Sparky blows a hole in the board I have to get more creative. Boyt Enterprises is how the IRS knows me.
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Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 11:33am
Subject: Re: Modifying a Volumetric Single Group HX machine to a non Volumetric semi
 

Welcome back mr Boyt!   Perhaps you can also confirm my theory regarding fitting different replacement controllers?

Mayong_md, I've looked at my ellimatic, and it's got a Giemme MFC2SN 230V box.  Obviously it is similar to the standard Gicar in that it can do boiler autofill, has a safety and indicator for the water reservoir level, and can work with a pressurestat, element, etc.  Not sure how much of those things are just wired in series with the element (for example), and how much actually goes to the controller as inputs.

I also found this thread
Click Here (www.home-barista.com)
that seems to cover a bit on the same subject.

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Jan
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Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 4:45pm
Subject: Re: Modifying a Volumetric Single Group HX machine to a non Volumetric semi
 

I looked on the shelf and I have one of the Gicar 9.5.17.85 boxes. Studying the schematic on the side shows this controller to turn on a Solid State Relay (SSR) to enable heating. SSR normally provides power to the pressurestat. SSR is controlled by a low water sensor. This prevents dry boiler heating.
Biggest challlenge with trying to find  replacement for this box has to do with connectors. If it was me and I had to have a new box I would try the Romania source. Voltage is correct and price is cheaper. If you want it repaired, then a small business in Wilkeson, Washington, USA is probably your best choice. There are other boxes that could be persuaded to work but they do require changing most of the the wire terminations. Sticking with the 16 pin touchpad even limits the choices more. There may be Giemme boxes that will interchange funtionally but you are still stuck with a transformer swap out. This box, as used in the USA, is primarily used in home machines. The MFC2SN 230V box is more commonly found in 115V machines. I don't remember what comes in what.... I just fix the circuit boards. :-)
Age must be catching up with me.
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Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 9:19pm
Subject: Re: Grimac MIA ELE GICAR BOARD HUNT (was Modifying a Volumetric...)
 

BTW, I retitled the thread to a more appropriate one. I guess, with all the newer inputs, my hopes are up again in terms of getting the board replaced. I'll reserve the major mod if the search doesn't turn out :-(

DanoM: Thanks you very much for the links. I'll try 1st Line. Re: the Romania site, I tried their online shopping option but seems they only honor local-Romanian purchases. I sent them an email instead and hope to get a response.

Jannus: Thanks again for the leads. I bookmarked the pages. I may have to go that route (swapping board brands) if Mr. Boyt can't help ;-)

jpboyt: thanks for the quick response time. Also, for bringing back the hope in that I might be able to minimize mod'ing my MIA. The Gicar that's available in 1st Line Equipment, it has the same connectors and schema, except for the voltage. Can you mod this for use into a 230V machine? Is this what you meant by changing the board transformer?

Thanks to all - again! CG rocks!
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Posted Wed Jun 19, 2013, 4:32am
Subject: Re: Grimac MIA ELE GICAR BOARD HUNT (was Modifying a Volumetric...)
 

]I was able to get this from my searches. A schema of the electricals of the La Valentina ELE, a very close relative of the MIA.
Maybe this can help identify possible replacement boards.

Click Here (i756.photobucket.com)

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Posted Wed Jun 19, 2013, 12:15pm
Subject: Re: Modifying a Volumetric Single Group HX machine to a non Volumetric semi
 

Have you tried to contacto Grimac? they have a spare parts search form (http://www.grimac.it/eng/ricambi.php) or the controller manufacturer (info@gicarsrl.com) or this coffee parts seller (http://www.chisko.com/contattaci.aspx they resell nuova ricambi parts)?

if you need help with the Italian language let me know
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Posted Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:21am
Subject: Thank you MR. Boyt.
 

Hello again forumers,

@vinalopo: thanks for the input. Yes, I did get in touch with gicar, and they pointed me to grimac.it. They never replied, though. Grimac Royal Falcon, through Mr. Marcantonio, sent me a reply. He says he'll try to source the box for me and still hasn't updated supply status.

To all: well, it seems my quest for the box MAY soon be over. Through the input of GVDub, I have met - through email, Mr. JP Boyt, who has found 2 boxes for me. He has mailed them to the Philippines. It will take about 3-4 weeks to get here. I really hope those boxes are what I need. I would not want to think of a back up plan, as I would not like to break the trend of "THE SECRET". I am thinking POSITIVE on this one. This is it.

Thanks Mr. Boyt, for putting up with my late night (as to your timezone) emails. I will keep in touch.

Next post will be a success story sometime in August :-)

See ya'all
Mario
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Posted Mon Jul 15, 2013, 3:51am
Subject: Re: Thank you MR. Boyt.
 

I HAVE COFFEE!

Gicar boards arrived today. Installed. and Voila! No more continuous beeping. It was nerve wracking to wait for the pump to fill boiler, but when it did, NO OVERFILLING ISSUE.

Thanks to MR BOYT!!!

Thanks GVDUB again, too.
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