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D4F
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic PID
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Posted Tue Mar 5, 2013, 4:53pm
Subject: Re: PID on a Saeco Aroma
 

Go back on the Auber site and you can compare to Gaggia.  That will let you know that the base price of about $150 is for brew only, not steam.  If you are DIY inclined, the Auber PID controller, correct RTD and then you get your SSR or order theirs since you have shipping.  I have the SYL 1512 and the SYL 2362.  The 1/32 DIN, like the SYL 1512 have a nice small box, but the 1/16 DIN, not so small a box.  I use the 1/16 without a box.  Box is about $20 for the 1/32 DIN to buy, included with a kit.

Steam can be added to their basic, or to DIY using a small power supply and wiring.  That is described on the thread I mentioned.  I spent about $85 - $100 and have brew, steam, and add heat during brew. That was DIY with me making and figuring the wires.  As mentioned, the last several pages on the thread earlier is describing that.

 
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LeSyphon
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Posted Tue Mar 5, 2013, 5:04pm
Subject: Re: PID on a Saeco Aroma
 

But as I said I don't know the RTD... they only sell it with the 150$ kit....
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D4F
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic PID
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Posted Tue Mar 5, 2013, 5:40pm
Subject: Re: PID on a Saeco Aroma
 

They sell the RTD mentioned in the Saeco kit only in the kit.  It sounds threaded as they specifically mentioned that.  Is your present stat threaded in or clamped. If threaded, what threads.  Open the case and look at the stats.  Take one off or loose and note threaded stud or flat.  They are describing the Saeco as one RTD fits all, and that is a threaded RTD and yours may not have that at least based on what I can tell from the partsguru site.  Even if threaded, if you have an overclamp the one that you showed should work.

Click Here (www.auberins.com)

Please post jpeg or describe yours.

 
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LeSyphon
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Posted Tue Mar 5, 2013, 6:22pm
Subject: Re: PID on a Saeco Aroma
 

I'm not home for lik 2-3 days so as soon as I got home I will post some pictures!!!

oh and here a funny answer frome the sales departement of auberins :

Me : I saw that kit but I was woundering what make it so expensive? You can find PID/SSR/Thermocouples on ebay at like 40$ for the whole kit... I know your kit is mostly sure more quality where the 110$(minus maybe 20$ for enclosure and wire) more come from?

Answer : It is designed for the different market. For people has plenty of time but less fund, buying components on ebay will save money and have fun.

lol what a s**t salesman!!!
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D4F
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic PID
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Posted Tue Mar 5, 2013, 7:40pm
Subject: Re: PID on a Saeco Aroma
 

They probably felt that you thought that they didnot deserve their fee and were saying "have fun" you will see.

You can easily spend $40 on ebay, $20 + shipping for the RTD, and then the box if you choose.  Next you have to find connectors and wire in Canada.  I have already helped a fellow there and he found supplies less readily available and a bit more money than US.  You need wire and connectors.  I used 2 size wires and connectors.  I have 10 wires to the PID and did not want 10 #14 awg in a bundle.  The fellow on HB said that he used 16 awg for all, but if you add steam then 8 wires to the PID.  If you add steam, you need a small power supply, or possible another AC - AC type SSR.  I found DIY enjoyable and a challange, but I had some Auber instructions that I got with their PID.  If you want quick and easy then the kit is a good buy, all supplies, wires made and good instructions.  If you get close to $80 - $100 and a few hours of searching and making wires, you will understand.  

You may want to reserve your judgement of the salesman until you are done :)

 
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LeSyphon
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Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 12:00pm
Subject: Re: PID on a Saeco Aroma
 

What I meant for the sales man it just that if I was him I would have try to sale not to challenge..  


Anyway, I read the 10 first page of the 30 page thread but start to be late for appoimtement... but to conclude on your thread what is your routine... do you wait a long time before pulling yours shot???

Oh and what is better..  another ssr or a power supply? I would prefer the ssr because I can hide it in the machine ...
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D4F
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic PID
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Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 12:22pm
Subject: Re: PID on a Saeco Aroma
 

LeSyphon Said:

I read the 10 first page of the 30 page thread but start to be late for appoimtement... but to conclude on your thread what is your routine... do you wait a long time before pulling yours shot???

Oh and what is better..  another ssr or a power supply? I would prefer the ssr because I can hide it in the machine ...

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I am not completely sure that I understand, the "wait a long time" but if that refers to warm up, then I wait for the machine to warm up.  I have measures temperatures in various places and it takes a minimum of 15 minutes to warm up.  Use a timer or a routine where you get up and turn it on and then get ready for 15 minutes.  Temperature with or without PID is much more consistent with a fully warmed and equilabrated machine.  

You are brave to tackle the thread from the beginning  :)  That is the best way to understand and you will see my routine and some temperatures as you go through.  Power supplies are about the same size as SSR, or smaller.  I switched to one of these temporarily just to see that it works.

Click Here (www.ebay.com)

SSR need to be mounted and have a heatsink.  In a Gaggia Classic the heatsink is the case, but there is not a lot of spare room.  My power supplies are on the floor over the water reservoir.  The standard SSR uses DC input to switch on or off and the PID SSR output is DC.  The PID alarm is what ever you put in.  If you do not put a DC power supply in the machine you will have AC and then you need an AC to AC SSR.  They are less common that DC-AC.  We found one for Tasseloff.  You can search his Silvia thread on CG.

 
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LeSyphon
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Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 12:47pm
Subject: Re: PID on a Saeco Aroma
 

So you recommand me to buy only 2 power supply and no ssr??? or I'm making a mistake here??
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D4F
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic PID
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Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 1:04pm
Subject: Re: PID on a Saeco Aroma
 

You will need an SSR.  You need a second SSR or power supply for the second function, steam control.  I think that you will understand that as you read further in the PID thread.  Find info about the Skene diagram vs second SSR.

The picture was of 2 cheap power supplies and USB cords.  At that price you can afford a spare, or a wiring mistake :)

 
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LeSyphon
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Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 3:50pm
Subject: Re: PID on a Saeco Aroma
 

I read almost all the thread and I finally understand the 1 SSR + 1 USB Charger....

So can you help me decide which PID, SSR and wire to buy??

I will get a photo real soon of the inside of the Aroma to see which thermocouple or RDT I need (still confuse with the difference in therminology)

Thanks!
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