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CraigA
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2012, 7:08am
Subject: Re: Silvia - Leak on steam valve
 

tasseloff Said:

So I'm guessing these are the two O-rings you're talking about
Click Here (www.espressotec.com)

Posted August 23, 2012 link

That's right.

Concerning the brew thermostat as a spare part, is this the one:
Click Here (www.espressotec.com)

No, that's clearly listed as the steaming thermostat. here's the right 100C one: Click Here (www.espressotec.com)

or one for the boiler (evidently much more expensive):
Click Here (www.espressotec.com)

That's not for a Silvia..

 
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2012, 10:22am
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Thanks CraigA.

While I'm at it, I can't help but wonder again if I shouldn't give the PID a try. I'm not willing to pay 200$ for it however, but I saw this a long time ago:
Click Here (www.ebay.ca)

And its still for sale. Has anyone every tried that PID kit? It would seem that the only thing missing is an external case to tie the PID to the Silvia...
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2012, 10:34am
Subject: Re: Silvia - Leak on steam valve
 

How about wiring, connectors and a wiring diagram for the PID to machine connections.  Do you solder, or crimp small wires, and use a DMM well?  I used the Auber PID, SSR, and RTD sensor for Gaggia, not a kit.  Worked well, but I had to make up the wiring.  Auber also has a case to fit.

 
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2012, 10:35am
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Those membrane film overlay & buttons on these cheap Chinese PID controllers are prone to failure as mentioned by CG member JGG  Jim Gallt, plus you'd have to program it..
I PID'd my May 2001 Silvia on June 24 2006, & haven't looked back! {;-)

 
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2012, 10:54am
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Ahhhh it is so tempting! I had gotten over that temptation last year, but now, after opening up the Silvia its come back to haunt me.

After writing my last post I actually sent a message to the ebay seller. His response was that I could check here what was needed/how to install:
https://sites.google.com/a/murphyslawonline.com/www/silvia

From what I see, the only other thing I would have to buy are a few wires and a case.  Apparently someone else has already attempted it with success on Coffeegeek:
http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machinemods/517612

For the wiring diagrams he forwarded me to this address:
http://www.thermomart.com/download/PID-CXTG-3000.pdf

Although I am no pro, I do solder basic stuff/crimp wires etc...

So I guess its a question of quality like CraigA mentionned. Plus to be honest it seems kinda ugly.  Then again it would cost me 75$  + other costs for small parts, so roughly $100. While I just checked for an Auber PID and it starts at around $165 with shipping. That starts to be expensive for an old 12 year-old machine I bought for $350 with rust starting to creep on the bottom of the frame...

Choices choices...
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:01am
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PID Control Retrofit KIT for Rancilio Silvia w/ screw RTD sensor (May 2000 - July 2006 models) $151.00 Click Here (www.auberins.com) was probably the one you were looking at.

 
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:33am
Subject: Re: Silvia - Leak on steam valve
 

You can buy from Auber, not the kit.  PID, box, RTD and SSR and one shipping.  You supply the rest and there are various sites that help.  There are various sensors or thermocouples and Auber can tell you which to use.  I spent more time making up the wires than hooking it up.  You should use 105C wiring inside the machine and I found high temperature flexible silicone wire at a hobby shop to carry the SSR load side.  Used for high load battery pack in hobby.  

Other sites on hooking it up.

http://www.terrystockdale.com/coffee/pid_silvia2.php

http://www.vogie.com/coffee/

and adding steam control without buying it as steam controlled.

http://www.skenedesign.com/Silvia/

and FRCN's site has info.

 
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2012, 4:47pm
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Thank you D4F.

Its true that if you order the components seperately on Auber, it actually costs less. It would seem that for about ~$120 shipping included I could get almost everything necessary (PID, box, RTD, SSR like you said).  Then again I just have to make sure that whatever other component I may need doesn't run up over $50 more

I think I will sleep on it.  It is very tempting to say the least, and the PID seems much more solid than the one on ebay...
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2012, 6:04pm
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The Auber 2362 1/16 din has great instructions for the PID at the bottom of the Auber page.  This generic instruction set below is very close to the 1512 1/32 din PID.  I think the 1/32 din PID and box may be a little cheaper.  Mine, only a few months ago, was about $102 with shipping.

http://users.rcn.com/erics/PID/PID_Manual_2.pdf

Piggyback Terminals

Click Here (www.oreillyauto.com)

Male and female 1/4" spade connectors, perhaps $5

Wiring as noted in prior post.

Silicone wire about 2 - 3 ft total needed.  I found it in a local hobby shop like below, and you only need one color.

Click Here (www.amazon.com)

I still had my sites available on computer, hope it helps.  Aubers price of $151 is very reasonable unless you want to do your own wires.  Steam is easy to add yourself.

 
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Posted Fri Aug 24, 2012, 6:30am
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Thanks for all the links, you've made it too easy now its hard not to order!!

I've decided to wait until next week, since I'll know if I can spare enough $ to go for it or not. Until then I decided to order the O-rings only and not change the wands. Although it would be nice to make frothing easier, its not really an area problematic at the moment, so I'll skip and stick to what I've got.
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