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CraigA
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Posted Thu Oct 13, 2011, 8:35am
Subject: Re: calling all Sylvia experts and techs. Boiler open pics
 

Cheapest boiler replacement I've seen is still at 1st-Line Wayne. There's new copper plumbing too (complete boiler kit), associated with the new boiler (only 5 buck more, includes red silicone boiler gasket OPV union nipple & OPV alignment/orientation washer {save your old ones too, some may be needed)., but for you it wouldn't be a problem to fabricate a new copper steam tube. Man, what a mess!

 
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Posted Thu Oct 13, 2011, 9:18am
Subject: Re: calling all Sylvia experts and techs. Boiler open pics
 

That boiler is not safe to use. The heating element filament is exposed and live current is running through the ground wire. Bad accident waiting to happen!

When you do the tear-down, you will want to disassemble the 3-way valve because I bet the springs are all caked with insulation.
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Posted Thu Oct 13, 2011, 9:23am
Subject: Re: calling all Sylvia experts and techs.
 

Wow! Cool pics!
This is better than a scary movie!
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Posted Thu Oct 13, 2011, 9:50am
Subject: Re: calling all Sylvia experts and techs. Boiler open pics
 

jlhsupport Said:

That boiler is not safe to use. The heating element filament is exposed and live current is running through the ground wire. Bad accident waiting to happen!

When you do the tear-down, you will want to disassemble the 3-way valve because I bet the springs are all caked with insulation.

Posted October 13, 2011 link

Thanks for the word of warning...
I was being sarcastic. :P

Edit
If you didn't get that then perhaps others would not either thank you.
End edit.

This is indeed a pictorial explanation of why you want to use good water, descale the boiler and don't let the water level get too low.



EDIT on 11-7-11. This budget has gone out the window, she is getting all new interior parts and some mods along the way also, when all done, I will update with the $$ spent! LOL

END second EDIT:


If the above guide lines had been followed, this machine would still be happily making espresso. Well, I will have a few more $ in it as the boiler kit is going to be about $125~ plus $40 to buy it in the first place then while I am at it, a PID system, someplace about $150 to $175 so, worst case, about $350 give or take a little. Not the great deal I started with but for a fully rebuilt, PID modded Sylvia, not a bad deal either.

I am going to go the extra $ for a PID as I am so used to the HX system at home, I really REALLY don't want to try to get into temp surfing. Otherwise, under $200 all up for the rehabed Sylvia.

 
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Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Thu Oct 13, 2011, 9:52am
Subject: Re: calling all Sylvia experts and techs.
 

chasemonster Said:

Wow! Cool pics!
This is better than a scary movie!

Posted October 13, 2011 link

I guess it IS getting close to All Hallows Eve isn't it? LOL!

 
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Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Thu Oct 13, 2011, 9:55am
Subject: Re: calling all Sylvia experts and techs. Boiler open pics
 

I really hate the fact that the heater is soldered in place. Just to show them..... I have half an idea to look around for a replacement element for another machine and mod this bell end to accept it. I really hate non replaceable parts!

 
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Posted Thu Oct 13, 2011, 10:42am
Subject: Re: calling all Sylvia experts and techs. Boiler open pics
 

A little suggestion
inspect the lower bottom half of the boiler for warping (and possibly small airline cracks) before investing in all the other parts

 
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Posted Thu Oct 13, 2011, 10:47am
Subject: Re: calling all Sylvia experts and techs.
 

Bitches_Brew Said:

no need for concern. there shouldn't be one.

Posted October 13, 2011 link

if you are refering to a Over Pressure Valve
there is indeed a OPV valve, on the pre 06 is not adjustable,
after 06 is adjustable
both are with a silicone hose going back into the reservoir

 
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Espresso: PID/PressureMod 2001...
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Drip: Behmor BraZen, BUNN VPR-APS,...
Roaster: Refurb Behmor 1600, BBQ...
Posted Thu Oct 13, 2011, 11:06am
Subject: Re: calling all Sylvia experts and techs. Boiler open pics
 

calblacksmith Said:

I really hate the fact that the heater is soldered in place. Just to show them..... I have half an idea to look around for a replacement element for another machine and mod this bell end to accept it. I really hate non replaceable parts!

Posted October 13, 2011 link

Hey Wayne,
Once upon a time the Silvia, Nancy, etc used to have a boiler that you could replace the heating element on. I supposidly got the last one in North America after I searched & scoured around (Rancilio NA found the last one for me) on April 30 2007. If you search my posts, you'll see pics I posted of it.

You can still buy replacement heating elements for it/them. I'm sure that you could drill/bore out the old heating element & retrofit the OEM Rancilio heating in place. I'll go measure the holes & post the dimentions back here for you.
Pictured below is the old style replacable heating element Rancilio Silvia boiler.


P.S. Wayne, the mounting holes are .530" or 17/32"., also 1 thou away from 13.5 mm.

CraigA: Pict0340.jpg
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Posted Thu Oct 13, 2011, 11:11am
Subject: Re: calling all Sylvia experts and techs. Boiler open pics
 

calblacksmith Said:

Thanks for the word of warning...
I was being sarcastic. :P

Posted October 13, 2011 link

I was hoping as such but still had to write something to reach the one less-than-experienced person who may come across this thread and interpret that the boiler was safe to use.
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