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MrSean
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Posted Tue May 17, 2011, 10:58am
Subject: Rancillio Sylvia Triple with bottomless portafilter
 

Hello,
I have a Sylvia with an un-moded group head screen screw. Currently I can't dose higher than about 15grams on my double without the filter retaining screw making a large depression on the puck. I was thinking of going with a bottomless Portafilter and getting a triple basket. How does the Sylvia do with a triple basket? Is this the correct way to achieve 20gram+ doses like some espressos are calling for when pulling a double shot?

Thanks for the help!
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Posted Fri May 20, 2011, 3:00pm
Subject: Re: Rancillio Sylvia Triple with bottomless portafilter
 

An impression of the screw head shouldn't affect the shot but it sounds like you're overfilling the basket and that might. If you are looking for 20+ gm loads, a triple basket works fine on a Silvia but as you seem to know you need to use it with a bottomless PF. Chris's Coffee has a nicely machined bottomless PF that comes with a good quality triple basket. There are other places you can order from as well but I have no personal experience with them.

I don't use my triple basket much because I'm usually only pulling a shot for myself and don't need to loose any more hair drinking triples. The bottomless PF sports a blank for back-flushing most of the time unless I'm doing a check on my technique.
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MrSean
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Posted Sat May 21, 2011, 1:29pm
Subject: Re: Rancillio Sylvia Triple with bottomless portafilter
 

Well my typical pull would be a 14-15 gram shot with double basket. The problem I'm trying to solve is my pulls seem to start out black and liquid rather than honey brown and slow. It changes to honey quickly but does not start that way. I have played with the grind but any finer seems to put me in the 30sec + range for a 2 ounce pull time. This brings me to upping the dose to try and increase the time it takes for the pore to start.

Anyway the BPF should help me diagnose my pulls so I guess I will go ahead and get one. Anyone use the BPF from Espressoparts.com?
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Posted Sat May 21, 2011, 2:49pm
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MrSean Said:

The problem I'm trying to solve is my pulls seem to start out black and liquid rather than honey brown and slow. It changes to honey quickly but does not start that way.

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A little dark liquid is normal at the beginning of the shot. But you don't say how the shot tastes. If you like a concentrated ristretto-type shot, by all means try out a triple basket.

The stock Rancilio double basket isn't very good and the single is next to useless. If you order from Espressoparts, get one of their "ridgeless" double baskets as well. It's larger than the Rancilio double and seems to have finer perforations. You should also get a new portafilter spring. The replacements are stronger than the stock Rancilio springs and hold the ridgeless basket in better. I use the ridgeless basket almost exclusively as my normal basket.
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Posted Sat May 21, 2011, 3:47pm
Subject: Re: Rancillio Sylvia Triple with bottomless portafilter
 

I think the LM style triple that comes E61 style works well, but i really like the espresso parts 14 gram basket, I usually dose 18.5 to 19 grams and it works very well. The synesso style 18g basket works well too. If you decide to get a bottomless portafilter you might also want to pick up a few extra baskets as well.

 
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Posted Sat May 21, 2011, 4:24pm
Subject: Re: Rancillio Sylvia Triple with bottomless portafilter
 

MrSean Said:

Hello,
I have a Sylvia with an un-moded group head screen screw. Currently I can't dose higher than about 15grams on my double without the filter retaining screw making a large depression on the puck. I was thinking of going with a bottomless Portafilter and getting a triple basket. How does the Sylvia do with a triple basket? Is this the correct way to achieve 20gram+ doses like some espressos are calling for when pulling a double shot?

Thanks for the help!

Posted May 17, 2011 link

I use the naked PF from Chris Coffee with the Zocco triple basket.  17-18 grams.  Great, though a bit wet on the pucks if you are a puck watcher -- I'm not.

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Posted Sat May 21, 2011, 6:29pm
Subject: Re: Rancillio Sylvia Triple with bottomless portafilter
 

Well I think they taste pretty good but they still have a little bitterness. I started using beans from a local roaster (barefoot coffee) but their espresso roasts are much lighter than I'm use to and at least with my un-experienced hand produced a sour shot. I was not having much luck with barefoot so I switched to an inexpensive espresso while I dialed in my Silvia and Vario. I have been buying  starbucks espresso roast from their machine bags(please be gentle). At least I know they use a lot of espresso so it should be somewhat fresh. I realize after spending a lot of time reading hear and on other sites that the darker roasts kill some of the coffee flavor and aromatics but until I can find a lighter roast that I can make without it being sour Iím going to stick with the darker roasts. Once I think I know my Silvia I may start trying some of the lighter roasts again. The suggestions barefoot gave for dosing amount were around the 18gram level which kind of started this whole process.
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Posted Wed May 25, 2011, 3:16pm
Subject: Re: Rancillio Sylvia Triple with bottomless portafilter
 

I have a Verna bottomless portafilter from Chris Coffee, which is a re-tooled Rancilio portafilter with the bottom cut off and machined down to accommodate a larger basket. This was a great deal and worthy investment. I use a La Marzocco straight sided basket with 19 grams of espresso. This set up was an easier way to learn than with the 2-legged portafilter. And I always get a little dent from the protafilter screen screw.
I've just ordered the VST  18 gram filter basket today and can't wait for that to arrive. Check it out, seems very logical and the reviews, including the one I read here, were very positive.
I'd suggest buying some better beans. Really, this will make a HUGE difference. Roaste.com represents several great roasters and deals on shipping, plus you can't go wrong with Intelligentsia's Black Cat one kilo bag. Divide your coffee into 1/2 pound lots. I re-use resealable bags from Vivace and Ecco Cafe (available from Roaste), and drop them in the freezer. Thaw as you need them. This really works.
if you like lighter roasts, Ecco Cafe from No. CA and George Howell's Terrior Northern Italian Daterra blends are terrific. Red Bird espresso from Montana will hit the spot as well.
Good luck!
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Posted Thu May 26, 2011, 9:28am
Subject: Re: Rancillio Sylvia Triple with bottomless portafilter
 

As far as coffee at the time I was getting used to the new machines and I felt like I was pissing money down the drain when shot after shot I could not produce a  shot with Barefoot that was not sour. It was so sour that even my milk drinks suffered. I am much more comfortable with the grinder now and the Silvia. I received my BPF from Espresso Parts yesterday with an 18G "Synesso Style" Basket (not included with the BPF) and already can confirm that my tamping and pull look fine. No channeling that I can see. The Espresso Parts BPF is a modified Rancilio Classe Series PF. My only gripe is aesthetic. The machined edge is a little rough and could have been worked smooth. Functionally itís great though! I was able to pull a ristretto that was rich and creamy for the first time with an 18gram shot! I went ahead and ordered some Redbird last week so I should have it soon. Hopefully I can dial in the grind quicker than before. The difference between the Italian roast grind setting and the City roast from Barefoot was more than a full Macro graduation on the Vario! Was not expecting that large of a difference and it took me quite a bit of coffee to get it dialed in.
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Posted Thu May 26, 2011, 10:06am
Subject: Re: Rancillio Sylvia Triple with bottomless portafilter
 

I almost exclusively use a chopped LM portafilter and Synesso 21g triple basket, regardless of dose.  You can still put as much or as little in a triple basket remember.  This basket with my Vario (no need to level or distribute even) means a simple grind, tamp pull espresso extraction.  I have other triple baskets but have the best luck with these.

 
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