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hankua
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Posted Mon Feb 10, 2014, 7:09am
Subject: Re: Kickstarter Lever - Salvatore Espresso Systems, Inc.
 

Not quite sure what equipment he needs, a bigger lathe? The Londinum 1 has a 2.3L boiler, Salvatore's standard size is 2L. He can orient boilers horizontal or vertical without any trouble. Salvatore bends his frames out of angle iron in house, and machines all the other parts. There are plenty of big commercial lever machines on the market but very few small ones. Probably the lever group pricing is driving cost, just guessing.
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Posted Mon Feb 10, 2014, 6:21pm
Subject: Re: Kickstarter Lever - Salvatore Espresso Systems, Inc.
 

In his video, I thought I heard him say it would either have a 4 or 5ltr boiler, similar to the QM Achille and Pompei.

There is just something cool about owning an item made by a skilled craftsman. I don't own one of his machines but worked on one for a friend, well built. However, if his lever were to make it into production, I think one would find its way into my shop.

 
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Posted Tue Feb 11, 2014, 7:19am
Subject: Re: Kickstarter Lever - Salvatore Espresso Systems, Inc.
 

I'm assuming for commercial purposes lever machines are available, just on a custom basis. His hand hammered copper shells are unique, almost bought a used one awhile back. When Salvatore retired/quits that will probably be the end of the line.
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Posted Tue Feb 11, 2014, 8:42am
Subject: Re: Kickstarter Lever - Salvatore Espresso Systems, Inc.
 

Of the more than a few I've seen and of the few I've used, for their price, Salvatore's HX machines are fairly low feature (e.g., no standard vac breaker!) but extremely high build quality.  Junior and Faema meet Oscar.    

How their $3800 lever competes with the L1, I don't know.  Since the Salvatore has a 2KW element, a pump, and a 6.5L boiler, my guess is they don't compete at all.  Horses for courses.  Knowing Salvatore he was aware of the competition when he priced his machine.  

From the description and pictures, I think Salvatore had something Cremina-like in mind with the Kickstarter project.  Too bad about the financing, the world could have used some made in the Santa Ynez Valley, $1700 Creminas.

We go to Solvang frequently, were just there a few weeks ago, and thought about dropping by Salvatore's to see what's new.  But we're so not in the market for any new equipment it didn't seem fair to bother them.  Maybe in a few months, we'll stick our noses in the door if they have any of the little levers around.    

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Posted Thu Feb 13, 2014, 12:35pm
Subject: Re: Kickstarter Lever - Salvatore Espresso Systems, Inc.
 

boar_d_laze Said:

Of the more than a few I've seen and of the few I've used, for their price, Salvatore's HX machines are fairly low feature (e.g., no standard vac breaker!) but extremely high build quality.  Junior and Faema meet Oscar.    
How their $3800 lever competes with the L1, I don't know.  Since the Salvatore has a 2KW element, a pump, and a 6.5L boiler, my guess is they don't compete at all.  Horses for courses.  Knowing Salvatore he was aware of the competition when he priced his machine.  
From the description and pictures, I think Salvatore had something Cremina-like in mind with the Kickstarter project.  Too bad about the financing, the world could have used some made in the Santa Ynez Valley, $1700 Creminas.
We go to Solvang frequently, were just there a few weeks ago, and thought about dropping by Salvatore's to see what's new.  But we're so not in the market for any new equipment it didn't seem fair to bother them.  Maybe in a few months, we'll stick our noses in the door if they have any of the little levers around.    
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Posted February 11, 2014 link

The Cremina is a direct lever, yes? You yank down on the sucker to pull your shot? Not sure how you could have seen a Cremina clone in the kickstarter project but maybe I'm the guy looking at it completely wrong. Seemed like an old school colossus to me, a lever-assisted, load-up-the-spring, release for extraction system using the exact same head as on the Londinium. Looking deep on the interwebs a few months ago, I saw only one significant source for old school spring lever heads from Italy.

Going to Solvang? Cool. I think if you called ahead, Wendy would be glad to show you around. Say hello from Bogie in Boise.

 
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Posted Thu Feb 13, 2014, 12:51pm
Subject: Re: Kickstarter Lever - Salvatore Espresso Systems, Inc.
 

I think the difference between the Cremina and this spring lever machine is that the Salvatore is a heat exchanger system and not a single -boiler design. I am guessing the boiler is auto-fill from the reservoir or water line. The machine is offered as either a reservoir or plumbed-in model, the reservoir at a higher price (he quotes a sale price at the same as a Cremina, new.)

The Londonium I seems to have similar features, with smaller capacity and a more compact footprint, and the cabinet work isn't as nicely done, but it looks like a nice machine as well, especially for the price.
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Posted Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:42pm
Subject: Re: Kickstarter Lever - Salvatore Espresso Systems, Inc.
 

All of these questions were easily answered by calling Wendy.

 
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