z0mbie Senior Member Joined: 26 Sep 2013 Posts: 382 Location: Online Expertise: I live coffee
Posted Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:53pm Subject: Re: Kickstarter Lever - Salvatore Espresso Systems, Inc.
He doesn't go into detail...
But he does seem well established and I believe the risk is very very low.. It reminds me of the GS/3 except with a spring lever group without the fancy electronics. Huge boiler.. The thing will be a tank and I'm sure the build will be superior to any mass-produced product.
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Posted Thu Jan 23, 2014, 3:27am Subject: Re: Kickstarter Lever - Salvatore Espresso Systems, Inc.
Salvatore's been around for a while; so his rep is pretty solid. He was selling high end home machines back when your only choices were a Silvia, an Elektra, a La Pavoni lever, or a Pasquini Livia 90. And nothing else... except for Salvatore's hand built machines (he'd order bits from Italy, and finish the build in California.
Note that the $1660 reward machine is not the new lever he is producing, but seems to be one of his existing E61 machines this one. Notice that the verbiage for that level says:
Pledge $1,660 or more A stunning classic lever espresso machine as seen in photo Accessories: steam pitcher, tamper, portafilter, cleaning kit Hand signed and numbered Domestic shipping included, HI AK extra
Limited (14 of 15 remaining)
Estimated delivery: Jun 2014
Still a good deal for that machine.
But the verbiage for the $3600 and $4100 are labeled "The new magnificent/stunning Spring Lever" (emphasis mine) with delivery Oct 2014. Note there are two smaller photos for the "Reward" machine and grinder. Also notice the verbiage from the page says:
Most all the rewards of our Kickstarter we currently offer to customers so fulfilling them and in a timely manner will be business as usual for us. The grinder and machine rewards offered take production time but we make these in the regular course of business.
Seems like Salvatore has some 'splainin to make. The use of "lever" as in E61 lever group is confusing I think.
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Posted Thu Jan 23, 2014, 6:00am Subject: Re: Kickstarter Lever - Salvatore Espresso Systems, Inc.
The picture shows one of his e61 machines presumably with lever controller. The price of $1660 is MUCH less than his site price for the same machine which is listed as $2300. If someone is interested in one of his machines I think it is well worth a phone call. I would, but I make only an occasional espresso, and despite a lust for shiny objects it doesn't economically justify itself for me.
You're paying a premium for what's essentially a completely handcrafted machine out of a very small shop. Plus, the aesthetics of the Salvatore come at a premium. The L-1, glorious as it is, is a little bauhaus (form follow function) for some tastes. Salvatore's machine is more prettied up, and some people will pay a premium for that.
Posted Thu Jan 23, 2014, 11:43am Subject: Re: Kickstarter Lever - Salvatore Espresso Systems, Inc.
About a year ago a customer was having trouble with his Salvatore so he asked me to look at it. I've never seen one before and so was excited to have it in the shop. The build was solid and workmanship was fantastic. You could very much appreciate the "hand-built" qualities of his machine.
Unfortunately, the Salvatore Lever Espresso Machine project does not seem to have a chance to succeed. The company needs another US$40,000 and must raise it in just three days. This would have been a wonderful contribution to the microverse of handmade culinary machinery, subset espresso machines, sub-subset non-pump machines, sub-sub-subset old school lever-operated monsters.
This is a total bummer but it's also predictable: too much required capital, too few wealthy fans (who need superb espresso machines), targeting a micro-niche of an already tiny niche, and not enough fabulous promotion to get the snowball rolling and gathering economic momentum.
I just bought a new E61 from Salvatore so I don't need another machine. But, if the funding drive had advanced well enough, I'd have gladly given them the chump-change backer's amount.
Standing in front of one of Salvatore's machines is fun; it just radiates coolness. Opening one up reveals precision, elegance, patience and attention that you can perceive. This guy wants your machine not only to work and to last but to maintain its tangible value over its life—the entire time you own it and use it. You will always be glad you bought it. Maybe you can say that about other single-boiler, HX systems, I do not know. I've got a Salvatore so I really don't care. End of conversation for me.
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