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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012, 2:48pm
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redpig Said:

I'll definitely try it though my home scale is notoriously bad.  I've been looking forward to trying it!  I'm very curious to know how the 2-spring versus 1-spring power pans out, both from compression effort and from resulting pressure and taste.  

I also don't know if the L1 uses the same spring as the traditional 1 spring bosco setup or something different.
Making bold and naive assumptions, put me down at a guess around ~21 lbs of force.

The thing I've noticed is that in Reiss's videos of the L1, he doesn't use two hands while most videos of the Achille ones show two hands.

cheers!
will

Posted November 12, 2012 link

Will: I too noticed the one hand method compared to the two hand method and was pondering if one person works out a lot and the other one pushed pencils for a living(no offense to pencil pushers out there).  When I was logging for a living and building custom homes my muscle mass was much better than when I changed over to CAD architectural engineering; muscles went faster than free gold in a garage sale!

GVDub:  The luggage scale idea sounds reasonable!

Stephen
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Posted Thu Nov 15, 2012, 7:37pm
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As an update to how much strength it takes to pull the lever.  I got to try a Bosco machine today(same group as the L-I) and it was definitely height dependent as to how easy it felt.  At the tall recommended counter height it was pretty easy and at the standard kitchen counter height, where is felt more like doing a curl, it was a bit more difficult yet still comfortable.  After pulling a shot I tried to measure the same resistance on a hanging scale and it felt like 20lb, maybe a bit more like 25.  Seemed fine to me, and I am an old out of shape guy that is 5'6" tall.

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Posted Thu Nov 15, 2012, 7:53pm
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Stephen, Thanks for the info!  I'm envious that you got to try a Bosco today!  Were the results worth the ~20lbs of pulling? :)
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Posted Fri Nov 16, 2012, 4:45am
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redpig Said:

Stephen, Thanks for the info!  I'm envious that you got to try a Bosco today!  Were the results worth the ~20lbs of pulling? :)

Posted November 15, 2012 link

Yes they were, and even worth the drive into Seattle which I find really a hassle; to many people in to small a space...

What sort of amazed me was that the 3 Group (single spring) Bosco 's front panel flexed as I lever was pulled.  It had 1 boiler for all 3 Groups so everything as tied together that way but I did not understand why the flex.  The L-I has zero flex and I find that more reassuring.

I have an air rifle (pellet gun) that requires more force to cock than the lever of the Bosco.

Cheers!
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Posted Fri Nov 16, 2012, 5:16pm
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i'm 'ere to answer any questions you may have.  reiss.
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Posted Fri Nov 16, 2012, 5:22pm
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rgunson Said:

i'm 'ere to answer any questions you may have.  reiss.

Posted November 16, 2012 link

Reiss:

I really appreciate the questions that you have already answered.

One thing comes to mind is have you generated an Owners Manual yet?  Reading it might answer many questions that could arise.

Stephen
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Posted Fri Nov 16, 2012, 5:29pm
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yes, i sure have.  do i want to put that on the web?  let me think about that

perhaps after the first owners have received their machines and their copy of the manual - they might be a bit upset that something they have paid for is released to the net before they have even seen it

the central theme repeated throughout is to keep your head to the left (right handers) or right of the lever (left handers) or run the risk of losing a few teeth & a broken nose
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Posted Fri Nov 16, 2012, 5:41pm
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rgunson Said:

the central theme repeated throughout is to keep your head to the left (right handers) or right of the lever (left handers) or run the risk of losing a few teeth & a broken nose

Posted November 16, 2012 link

Like the spring powered air rifle NEVER PULL THE TRIGGER WITHOUT PUTTING THE BARREL BACK INTO BATTERY"!!!!!  Very bad things can happen to anything in the way.
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Posted Sun Nov 18, 2012, 4:53pm
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Redpig:

Measuring the scace pressure results sound pretty interesting.  6.55 Bars on the Bosco compared to the claimed 11 Bar for the QM machine.  Any chance you can get that Scace to test the Londinium when your L-I arrives????

Cheers!

Stephen
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Posted Sun Nov 18, 2012, 7:05pm
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BLrdFX Said:

Any chance you can get that Scace to test the Londinium when your L-1 arrives????

Posted November 18, 2012 link

I don't know of anyone with one nearby (but there could be, I'll look into it).  Otherwise, it wouldn't be worth the cost for me since I'm unlikely to use it often :)  An easier approach might just be this:


Reiss, if you're still reading this thread :),  is the L1 using the Bosco spring or one with another force profile?


Thanks! (Can't wait to find out if/when they ship tomorrow!!)
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