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Burd
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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2012, 9:14am
Subject: I can't roll
 

I can stretch just fine with no large bubbles however for the life of me I can't get the milk rolling to texture it.  I am only folding the milk so all the nice foam doesn't get mixed in.  If someone could show me a photo of an empty pitcher with the steam wand in the right position/angle for rolling or a link to a photo like that. For some reason I just can't nail the right wand position and angle.  


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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2012, 9:39am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q2xH1i3ByU
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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2012, 5:41pm
Subject: Re: I can't roll
 

Very good video, I'll give that a wand method a try too.  I've been starting with the tip just below the surface and lowering it down gradually, keeping the milk in a whirlpool, and closing the valve at around 130 deg. F per my thermometer to get a pleasing temperature.

I also modified the wand tip so there is only one hole open instead of 4.

Just one thing about the video that would be helpful to me--for demonstration purposes, to use a glass cup.  That would show the mixture and proportions of milk/coffee to aim for.
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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2012, 6:28pm
Subject: Re: I can't roll
 

A glass cup would be great! Good idea.  I see that same thing in every video but for the life of me I can't seem to get it in the right place.  I have the 1 hole tip already on it.  I think I may try my 20oz pitcher instead of my 12 oz.  It seems with the small one I get it spinning and it wants to jump out of the pitcher and splash all over.  With the small one if I put in 4 oz of milk by the time I stretch it and start to roll it wants to jump out of the pitcher and spill all over since it's so close to the top.  So maybe without knowing it I have been retarding the rolling to keep it in the pitcher.  I think the 20oz one will give me more room for error as well.  This is all new since I used to have a Gaggia and steaming was much different and not nearly as fast and violent as it is now.  It may still not be a HX or DB machine with oodles of steam but it sure is a large jump from what I was using and seems likes an endless amount to work with.

I just walked in the door and fired it up.  Gonna go practice with the idea I got off the Tube....pitcher of water with a drop of soap in it.  I can practice all day like this without spending a fortune on milk.  I'll be sure to update my success.

Just one thing about the video that would be helpful to me--for demonstration purposes, to use a glass cup.  That would show the mixture and proportions of milk/coffee to aim for.

 

If you find a video like that please let me know because I would love to see it also.
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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2012, 8:04pm
Subject: Re: I can't roll
 

Well it seems a whole bunch easier to get it rolling with a larger pitcher in my case.  The soap water combo was silky smooth all the way through.  It started to come out very nice after some practice.  Looks like that's what my next step is...practice, and lots of it.
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Posted Sun Sep 23, 2012, 1:03pm
Subject: Re: I can't roll
 

I actually had trouble with the larger pitchers because it was using way too much milk. The 12oz motta pitcher was easiest, I tried the espro torid pitcher but since my steam wand has a angle to it I could not make the wand go straight down into the pitcher as the directions showed.

The best tip I found on the forums was using organic whole milk, once I did that it was way easier to make microfoam.
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Posted Sat Sep 29, 2012, 10:09am
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I had a lot of rolling problems also. What helped was with less milk in a smaller pitcher.  I have made vast improvements in the last 4-6 weeks since I figured that out.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 8:33am
Subject: Re: I can't roll
 

Burd, I'm wondering what version Silvia you're using?  If it's an older version, do you have the articulatiing wand.  If not, I'd highly recommend that upgrade.  I ran an old Silvia for about 8 years and only a few months before upgrading to my duetto DB machine, did I do the articulating wand mod, and man...I sure wished I had done it sooner.  I also use Motta Europa pitchers.  One key to not splashing over the sides is using the correct amount of milk to the pitcher.  

It sounds like you're getting your roll down....great news.  It it helps at all, I used to rotate the wand to the right about 30 degrees from straght out over the drip tray (front to back), then pull it up about 30 degrees.  Looking down at the pitcher, the tip would sit at about 7-8 o'clock, about 1/2 inch towards the center from the pitcher wall.  I'm trying to remember now if I held the pitcher bottom parallel to the counter or tilted away from me?

Funny, you mention the huge reduction in time to play with the milk when going from the Classic to the Silvia.  I had a similar experience going from the Sivia to the Duetto.

Regarding milk, organic is great and is all I use, but cows have different diets at different times of the year and the milk industry has a method of mixing in stored milk or proteins or something like that (clearly, beyond my level of knowledge) to maintain "consistency" throughout the year.  Sometimes, you just have to change brands.  I learned this from two-time US barista champ, Heather Perry (who has relatives in the milk industry).  See if there are local coffee geeks who've played around with the different brands of milk available in your area.  There have actually been posts on here about this.

 
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Posted Fri Oct 12, 2012, 7:12pm
Subject: Re: I can't roll
 

I'm using a V3 so I have the sexy wand :)  I still can't nail the foam.  Right when I thought I was getting closer....well I wasn't.  I am going back to square one with the 12oz pitcher this time.  Does it matter that it is a no frills pitcher?  I see some pitchers that are fool proof for rolling/foaming but I want to learn the correct technique not have it foam for me.  Is there a pitcher that needs skill but "lends a hand" in learning?
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Posted Sat Oct 13, 2012, 1:26pm
Subject: Re: I can't roll
 

they're a bit expensive, but I've loved my Motta Europas since I got them (back when I still had my Silvia).

 
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