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ryandunlap
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Posted Wed Oct 28, 2009, 10:40pm
Subject: Overflowing before art forms
 

When pouring my milk, the only time i start to see anything remotely like latte art is just before the cup is overflowing. The obvious thing would seem to be slowing down the pour, but that doesn't seem to solve my problem.

Any ideas?
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Posted Thu Oct 29, 2009, 2:02am
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Perhaps stretch the milk a tad more to start with so it's a little thicker.
AND/OR try bringing the pitcher as close to the fluid surface in the cup as possible so the spout almost touches.

 
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Posted Thu Oct 29, 2009, 10:16pm
Subject: Re: Overflowing before art forms
 

JonR10 Said:

Perhaps stretch the milk a tad more to start with so it's a little thicker.

Posted October 29, 2009 link

Okay, forgive my ignorance but what does "stretch the milk a tad more" mean?

Thanks!
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Posted Fri Oct 30, 2009, 3:43am
Subject: Re: Overflowing before art forms
 

ryandunlap Said:

Okay, forgive my ignorance but what does "stretch the milk a tad more" mean?

Posted October 29, 2009 link

Apologies.  "Stretching the milk" is introducing more air so the volume increases.  

When I begin steaming I have the steam tip under the surface and then turn on the steam and quickly bring the tip to "surf" at the surface of the milk to induce some air (it makes a "tch-tch-tch" sound).  Then I sink the tip under the surface again to get the milk to whirpool in the pitcher and incorporate the air bubbles into a smooth and creamy consistency that looks like wet paint.  

When you pour, bring the pitcher in close so that the spout is practically touching the fluid surface in the cup.  Watch this video and pay attention to how close the pitcher gets to the fuild in the cup  CLICK THIS

I hope that helps!

 
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Posted Fri Oct 30, 2009, 1:05pm
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As I start to pour, I get a little milk coming out of the pitcher.  It mixes with the coffee.  All is good.

To get the foamy milk to float, I need to tip the pitcher more.

Try pouring faster, not slower.
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Posted Mon Nov 2, 2009, 3:51pm
Subject: Re: Overflowing before art forms
 

I would agree with stretching/adding air for a TAD longer before dipping the wand to spin the milk.  Not too much though.

Different people have different opinions about what makes the milk form the art on top of the drink, but I have found that slightly speeding up the pour, and moving the tip of the pitcher closer to the surface of the liquid in the cup, gets the art to appear.

I start out pouring slow, just getting some milk under the coffee/crema.

Then, I speed up just a tad, and this is when the "white dot" appears, or the milk, "marks" the crema.  

Then I move the tip/spout closer to the surface of the coffee in the cup, and draw whatever Im drawing.


I found it easiest to learn to pour art with a cup size of 8-12oz, so that I had more "time" to get things to happen.  I like drinks of the 4-5oz size, which I only somewhat recently have been able to pour rosettas on without overflowing.  Dont worry, I had about two months worth of cleaning milk up off the floor.  My cats loved me :)

 
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