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Frost
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Posted Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:04am
Subject: Re: Least expensive conical burr grinder?
 

I never thought much about grind retention on the Le-lit: about 0.5 gram in the shoot area and another gram or so just below the burrs. Espresso grind speed is 1 gram per second (I didn't measure the Preciso)  and noise I just measured at 87-88db 18" from the grinder.  For comparison I have an older Virtuoso that measures 84-85db and an Oster blender clocks at 97-98db.

My main 'usage' issue is that I can come down in the morning, grind a dose and get the same result as yesterday ...and the day before. If the pour has shifted, it's only by a couple seconds at most and I can adjust for the next shot in a consistent reliable way. No static that separates the fines, no clumps to break up, no doser to clean out.

Some issues I have dealt with; The 'portafilter holder' on this is a couple pieces of SS bent over from the sides, annoying and in the way; I flattened them out of the way.  It will not feed oily beans, they get hung in the hopper (maybe why the reputation for being extra slow?) not an issue for my use.

I do want to upgrade my grinder, it was never intended to be used this long (....7 years now) I just wish there was a perfect match for my needs, demands, wishes, and usage...
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Posted Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:31am
Subject: Re: Least expensive conical burr grinder?
 

Frost Said:

I never thought much about grind retention on the Le-lit: about 0.5 gram in the shoot area and another gram or so just below the burrs. Espresso grind speed is 1 gram per second (I didn't measure the Preciso)  and noise I just measured at 87-88db 18" from the grinder.  For comparison I have an older Virtuoso that measures 84-85db and an Oster blender clocks at 97-98db.

My main 'usage' issue is that I can come down in the morning, grind a dose and get the same result as yesterday ...and the day before. If the pour has shifted, it's only by a couple seconds at most and I can adjust for the next shot in a consistent reliable way. No static that separates the fines, no clumps to break up, no doser to clean out.

Some issues I have dealt with; The 'portafilter holder' on this is a couple pieces of SS bent over from the sides, annoying and in the way; I flattened them out of the way.  It will not feed oily beans, they get hung in the hopper (maybe why the reputation for being extra slow?) not an issue for my use.

I do want to upgrade my grinder, it was never intended to be used this long (....7 years now) I just wish there was a perfect match for my needs, demands, wishes, and usage...

Posted April 21, 2014 link

I can walk up and grind a dose same as yesterday and day before as well on my Preciso, not sure what you meant there? I generally only make a few small micro adjustment every few days as I work through a batch/jar, same as what you just said and like you if the flow is off I just move the micro a bit,just like any other grinder where you'll have to do so save for a titan conical that barely needs any adjustment once dialed in for a bean/blend. Thats not to talk down the PL53 or anything though.

I single dose though, that's why I love the Baratzas. I turn it on, weigh and put in my beans, and get basically the exact weight out in grinds or maybe off .1 or .2g up or down. Very tiny retention and the chute is short which is pry what makes the main difference on retention on these grinders.
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Frost
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Posted Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:37am
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My issue with the Preciso is the burr alignment, carrier and adjustment mechanism. Good on yours that it has not been a problem for you.
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Posted Mon Apr 21, 2014, 12:07pm
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Frost Said:

My issue with the Preciso is the burr alignment, carrier and adjustment mechanism. Good on yours that it has not been a problem for you.

Posted April 21, 2014 link

Had mine for two years, did replace the adjustment ring and carrier awhile ago. I must a had a tiny rock or something go through as they both went at the same time. Been fine since though. I remember a jam, either from a small rock or bean and the hooper was kinda jammed, I turned it which took some force and think that's what caused it.
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Posted Wed Apr 23, 2014, 1:19pm
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Frost Said:

I do want to upgrade my grinder, it was never intended to be used this long (....7 years now) I just wish there was a perfect match for my needs, demands, wishes, and usage...

Posted April 21, 2014 link

There IS, but judging from your comments, you may not want to hear the answer. LOL
FWIW I have NOTHING against the Lelit, and have included it as part of grinder recommendations for several years.

 
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Frost
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Posted Wed Apr 23, 2014, 2:26pm
Subject: Re: Least expensive conical burr grinder?
 

If you know of a compact doserless electric with large conical burr and low grind retention, I'm interested.  I think the closest 'compromise' for me right now is the HG one, but I have doubts I could live with the Operating System.
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Posted Fri Apr 25, 2014, 11:34am
Subject: Re: Least expensive conical burr grinder?
 

Frost Said:

If you know of a compact doserless electric with large conical burr and low grind retention, I'm interested.  I think the closest 'compromise' for me right now is the HG one, but I have doubts I could live with the Operating System.

Posted April 23, 2014 link

The best (and maybe the only good) motor driven, large conical, alternative to the HG One for single dosing is the Compak K10PB.  If you're willing to entertain a hopper, there are quite a few other excellent choices.  

It's simply a matter of size, quality in the cup, quanta of inconvenience you can tolerate in exchange for a lower price, level of build quality you demand, and budget.  The more you prioritize any one quality, the more you have to compromise at least some of the others.

Without making any sort of recommendation, there's a universe of flat burr quality between the conical PL53 and conical HG One and K10.  There are plenty of flat burr grinders a great deal better in the cup than the PL53 which are worth consideration if you're not married to conical.  

For someone who roasts his own beans, managing most Titan conical (expressly including the K10PB) retention by purging and brushing, isn't a problem.  Especially coming from a PL53, which -- just sayin' -- is well documented for building up ~15g of retained grinds under the bottom burr that can't be cleaned without taking off the top burr and all the PITA dialing-in that entails.  

First question:  How much are you willing to spend?

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Posted Sun May 18, 2014, 4:30pm
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I asked myself the same question and decided to just go for it and find a used commercial grinder.  I got a Cunill Tranquilo and replaced the hopper with a PVC pipe fitting and cap so it'd fit under my cabinets :)  Incidentally, I've just gotten a new grinder (Kitchenaid Pro Line, better aesthetics) so the Cunill is just sitting around.
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Posted Sun May 18, 2014, 7:50pm
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boar_d_laze Said:

....... Especially coming from a PL53, which -- just sayin' -- is well documented for building up ~15g of retained grinds under the bottom burr that can't be cleaned without taking off the top burr and all the PITA dialing-in that entails.  
.........

Posted April 25, 2014 link

Must be another one of those well documented heard it on the internet 'telephone tag' facts.....

It's been at least a month since I opened the burrs up for a good cleaning. I used to do it more often.
I ran the grinder dry and brushed out the shoot this time so I could carefully measure only that layer of grind that collects above the burr: the ones that can't be cleaned without removing the burrs. I got 3.76 grams here. There is just not enough room in there for anything close to 15 grams.

Before removing the upper burr carrier, I put a hash mark on the carrier so I can re-assemble to exactly the same grind setting. This has always worked for me to avoid having to re-dial the grind after cleaning. It will pick up tomorrow just where it was this morning. I am quite surprised by this consistency.
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Posted Sun May 18, 2014, 8:10pm
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Frost Said:

Must be another one of those well documented heard it on the internet 'telephone tag' facts.

Posted May 18, 2014 link

If your experience differs from something I said, that's fine.  I'm always happy to learn something new.  If you want to know where my information came from, ask.  Please try to remain civil and omit the insults.    

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