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asf1187
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Posted Fri Mar 7, 2014, 3:07pm
Subject: I am having serious issues dialing the right grind size with my Baratza Encore.
 

Ever since I got my Baratza Encore, I've failed to make a good cup with my aeropress or my french press. I've seen all of the recommended grind size numbers, but none seem accurate for me.
I tried using sizes 10-14 for normal aeropress, 16-20 for inverted, none of which seemed to taste "right". There was always some odd aftertaste. I usually do the hearts method for normal aeropress, or the tonx inverted method (no bloom, 1:30 steep. 14g coffee 220g water stir, plunge).
With the french press, which I just got, I have tried 28-32. I am using a 3 cup french press, so I do 19g coffee 3 min steep time (60 sec bloom then stir).
I use fresh coffee that I roast with a popper. I assume it's not my beans because my espresso comes out fine! Please help me figure this out!
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Posted Fri Mar 7, 2014, 6:04pm
Subject: Re: I am having serious issues...
 

For clarification:
Are you using your encore for espresso?
If it is anything like the Vario, it is calibrated way too fine to do a french press, and your likely over/under extracting.

What is the off flavor?
Sour? Bitter? Wood? Metallic?
Is it just like *smack smack smack* meh flavor? Probobly too many bitters getting extracted - your grinder might be putting out alot of fines that are putting extra bitters into your brews. It is my understanding entry level burr grinders do much better at fine grinds than coarse ones in terms of consistency of particle size.
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Posted Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:05pm
Subject: Re: I am having serious issues...
 

I just received my Aeropress this week and have only used it twice so far, but with my Encore calibrated to the finest setting, I found that 16 worked pretty well. Wasn't great, but that is primarily because I don't care for the taste of my espresso blend for a regular cup. No bitter or sour flavors. Have you calibrated your grinder or is it as it was from the factory?

 
"But it is not a perfect world and none of us are god-shots.  As for me, I am a little over extracted and therefore slightly bitter and my crema is thin..." -Buckley
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Posted Sat Mar 8, 2014, 4:52am
Subject: Re: I am having serious issues dialing the right grind size with my Encore.
 

asf1187 Said:

I've seen all of the recommended grind size numbers, but none seem accurate for me.
, none of which seemed to taste "right". There was always some odd aftertaste.

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I'm having a difficult time understanding whether your issue is with the grind quality or the taste of your coffee?

If it is a "grind quality issue" you can re-calibrate as has been recommended by following the procedures outlined in their service guide http://www.baratza.com/wp-content/uploads/recalibration.pdf

If it is a "taste of the coffee" issue, try again using a different batch of beans or a roast from a commercial roasting house before trying to adjust the grinder as long as the grind consistency is where you want it with the present calibration settings.
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asf1187
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Posted Sat Mar 8, 2014, 12:04pm
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Mine is how it came from the factory. Should I open it up and change how it comes calibrated?
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Posted Sat Mar 8, 2014, 12:07pm
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SproBro Said:

For clarification:
Are you using your encore for espresso?
If it is anything like the Vario, it is calibrated way too fine to do a french press, and your likely over/under extracting.

What is the off flavor?
Sour? Bitter? Wood? Metallic?
Is it just like *smack smack smack* meh flavor? Probobly too many bitters getting extracted - your grinder might be putting out alot of fines that are putting extra bitters into your brews. It is my understanding entry level burr grinders do much better at fine grinds than coarse ones in terms of consistency of particle size.

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There's some odd aftertaste. It's just extremely bitter, and I really don't know how to describe it. Its just, horrid really. I've heard of some other people having this problem, but they haven't reported how to fix the problem.


moosepucky Said:

I'm having a difficult time understanding whether your issue is with the grind quality or the taste of your coffee?

If it is a "grind quality issue" you can re-calibrate as has been recommended by following the procedures outlined in their service guide http://www.baratza.com/wp-content/uploads/recalibration.pdf

If it is a "taste of the coffee" issue, try again using a different batch of beans or a roast from a commercial roasting house before trying to adjust the grinder as long as the grind consistency is where you want it with the present calibration settings.

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My problem is with the taste, not the quality. It's very uniform when the grind is past setting 25!
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Posted Sat Mar 8, 2014, 3:46pm
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What you describe sounds more like a roast or coffee defect, like under-developed roast. Dry, bitter, astringent finish.
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TheRealScubaSteve
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Posted Mon Mar 10, 2014, 7:52pm
Subject: Re: I am having serious issues...
 

asf1187 Said:

Mine is how it came from the factory. Should I open it up and change how it comes calibrated?

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Unless you use it for espresso, I don't really see a reason to. You can change it for a finer grind as well as courser. From what I've heard (since I don't own one) grinding on the Encore for French Press is too inconsistent for good results. I would keep playing with the grind and/or dose until you get better results.

Have you tried using different beans roasted by someone else? There are many roasters with reasonable costs and low shipping if that would be an issue.

 
"But it is not a perfect world and none of us are god-shots.  As for me, I am a little over extracted and therefore slightly bitter and my crema is thin..." -Buckley
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