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skiezo
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Posted Fri Feb 28, 2014, 9:24am
Subject: Looking for a decent hand/manual adjustable grinder
 

I do mainly moka pots and have quite a few that I like to use. Some require different grinds. I am looking for a decent hand/manual grinder that is adjustable for different grinds. Looking for suggestions as the some that are good, will last and are not  
real complex.
My KA proline is OK but not great as the grind is inconsistent.
So help me pick a good hand/manual grinder please.

Thanks Brian
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boar_d_laze
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Posted Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:35am
Subject: Re: Looking for a decent hand/manual adjustable grinder
 

There are exactly two "better than good," hand cranked espresso grinders.  They are the Orphan Espresso Pharos and the HG1.  

The Pharos is an excellent espresso grinder, with a few idiosyncrasies and inconveniences.  It is $250ish, but only sporadically available.  If you're interested (you should be), you'll have to check the Orphan Espresso daily, and jump on the opportunity when they're offered for sale.  You snooze you lose.

The HG1 is a hand cranked, "Titan" conical grinder.  $800ish.  If it doesn't grind espresso as well as it can be ground, it's damn close.    

It's hard to separate its new to the market buzz from reality; but based on what I've heard (never tried it, myself) the Hausgrind by Knock grinds espresso as well as a burr set that small can perform.  Call it the border of adequate and good.

The Orphan Espresso Lido 2, supposedly grinds as well as the Hausgrind; but is supposedly more difficult to turn at that fine a grind.

I find the Hausgrind and Lido more interesting for their brew capabilities than for espresso.  

The Rosco and Rosco Mini are beautifully machined, brass, small, manual espresso grinders. They supposedly (no personal experience) grind as well as the Hausgrind and Lido, but material and workmanship at that level doesn't come cheap. The Rosco is $450AUD, and the Mini is $360AUD. Shipping to the US is $60AUD. They are an especially good choice to work within the Portapresso "Rossa" portable espresso systems.  

At the lower end of the price scale, people using Harios and Kycoeras modded for "stepless" adjustment report good results.  Everyone has their tastes and standards, no one's more valid than another's. Personally, I find them inadequate for espresso and inconvenient to boot.

Rich
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skiezo
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Posted Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:34am
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I contacted Knock and am waiting to hear back from them as well as what options they will be offering on there next run.

Thanks
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faaparasite
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Posted Tue Mar 4, 2014, 8:51am
Subject: Re: Looking for a decent hand/manual adjustable grinder
 

I really like my little Kyocera.  The one I have is not made anymore.  If I were to buy another, I'd get this one.  They changed the design a bit with this one and it doesn't adjust like mine, but it does have ceramic conical burrs which are similar, but larger.  The one I have will only grind about 14g at a whack and this one looks like it will do quite a bit more although it's not quite as good for travel.  You can get one on Amazon for $28 shipped which seems like a steal.  I think I paid about twice that for mine.   This one is well reviewed on Amazon and there's plenty of stuff on the youtubes about it.

I've had mine for many years and it still works like a champ.  The burrs are made from Kyocera ceramic which is amazing.  Even after several years of use the grind is very consistent and I can't tell any difference from when the grinder was new.  I use it primarily with my Aeropress.  I've never used it for espresso, but I have no doubt it would go that fine and perhaps all the way to Turkish although certainly this would require a lot of cranking.  It takes about two minutes to grind 14g and I typically grind as fine as the Aeropress will take.  I almost always use a medium roast which requires a bit more cranking effort, but it's not that bad.  I suspect it would work quite well for your moka pot.  About the only complaint I have is it's a bit hard to hold while cranking.  I think the newer design is probably significantly better in this regard because it is larger.
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Posted Sat Mar 8, 2014, 8:13am
Subject: Re: Looking for a decent hand/manual adjustable grinder
 

boar_d_laze Said:

The Pharos is an excellent espresso grinder, with a few idiosyncrasies and inconveniences.  It is $250ish, but only sporadically available.  If you're interested (you should be), you'll have to check the Orphan Espresso daily, and jump on the opportunity when they're offered for sale.  You snooze you lose.

The HG1 is a hand cranked, "Titan" conical grinder.  $800ish.  If it doesn't grind espresso as well as it can be ground, it's damn close.    

Rich

Posted February 28, 2014 link

The Pharos and HG1 are both titan class grinders (68mm and 71 or 83mm conicals respectively).  For Mocha pot, though, I'd expect titan class grinders could possibly be overkill.
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boar_d_laze
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Posted Sat Mar 8, 2014, 9:39am
Subject: Re: Looking for a decent hand/manual adjustable grinder
 

MikeReilly Said:

The Pharos and HG1 are both titan class grinders (68mm and 71 or 83mm conicals respectively).

Posted March 8, 2014 link

Mike,

Depends what you mean by "Titan."  I excluded the Pharos from the class solely because of its size and weight, and not at all because of burr-size or performance.  The Titan Grinder Project thread at H-B created the term.  In its introduction, footprint, weight and usual use in a commercial setting are mentioned as criteria.

If you'll look again at that part of my post which you quoted, you'll see that I expressly referred to the HG-1 as a Titan because, in my opinion, it's big enough.  

I'm open to admitting the Pharos into the fraternity of Titans, but don't see that the opinion matters much. Titan is just a word.

For Mocha pot, though, I'd expect titan class grinders could possibly be overkill.

You may be right about overkill.  I'm not enough of a moka pot guy to have any sense of the method's limits vis a vis the grinder.  I'll defer to your greater experience.

The OP was very specific about a grinder for moka pot.  It was a mistake on my part to over emphasize espresso grinding.  This IS the "Espresso" "Grinders" thread, and I've been doing an awful lot of research on Titan grinders recently.  Perhaps my error was understandable if not excusable.  Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea bigga gulpa.  

If I were buying a reasonably sized grinder for moka pot use on a (cough) reasonable budget, it would be a Baratza Virtuoso or Breville Smart electric; or a Hausgrind or a Lido 2 manual (I know the two manuals only by reputation).  If size and money weren't important, I'd put together a Bunnzilla, which -- if brew only grinders can be Titans -- is a Titan in its own right.  

Rich
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