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boar_d_laze
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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 6:21pm
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calblacksmith Said:

Rich, yep, we are both on the same page. No harm in trying for less though :D

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Wayne,

:D

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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 7:07pm
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This is a Rossi RR45a. The cord from the main body to the doser cover powers a membrane sensor that will automatically keep the doser filled. If you are using the grinder at home, you'll be toggling the switch to control how much you are grinding.

I have one of these grinders and I've been very pleased with it. We have a Mazzer Major at work and I can't detect any significant difference in grind quality. 80 steps may not give you exactly the control you'd have with a stepless grinder, but all you need to do is remove the detent pin if you want stepless.

I got mine for about $250 two years ago and I feel no compulsion to upgrade.

There are some decent reviews (including mine) in the consumer reviews section.
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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 9:33pm
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calblacksmith Said:

UH, no a Rossi is a different grinder, the only thing they have in common is that they have hoppers, dosers and are commercial..

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My bad, just realized I was thinking of "Rio"

 
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Posted Fri Feb 21, 2014, 5:53am
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So far no response to my email so I have not even received any further details.
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Posted Fri Feb 21, 2014, 6:28am
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johnboddie Said:

This is a Rossi RR45a. The cord from the main body to the doser cover powers a membrane sensor that will automatically keep the doser filled. If you are using the grinder at home, you'll be toggling the switch to control how much you are grinding.

I have one of these grinders and I've been very pleased with it. We have a Mazzer Major at work and I can't detect any significant difference in grind quality. 80 steps may not give you exactly the control you'd have with a stepless grinder, but all you need to do is remove the detent pin if you want stepless.

I got mine for about $250 two years ago and I feel no compulsion to upgrade.

There are some decent reviews (including mine) in the consumer reviews section.

Posted February 20, 2014 link

So this model comes with the 80 adjustment collar not the 40?
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Posted Fri Feb 21, 2014, 8:11am
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This is a Rossi RR45a. The cord from the main body to the doser cover powers a membrane sensor that will automatically keep the doser filled. If you are using the grinder at home, you'll be toggling the switch to control how much you are grinding.

Or plug the grinder into a timer, like the Auber grinder timer or a darkroom timer.

I have one of these grinders and I've been very pleased with it. We have a Mazzer Major at work and I can't detect any significant difference in grind quality.

Troubling.

Troubling not in the sense that I don't believe you, but in the sense that I believe you are reporting (your impressions) accurately. A Major's 83mm burrs and more powerful, slower rotating motor should make its "in the cup" performance significantly better for mouthfeel, top-end "sparkle," nuance and separation.    

If a Robur's not really better than a Major, and a Major's not really better than a Rossi, and Rossi's about the same as an SJ, and an SJ's not really better than a Vario, and a Vario's not really better than a Mignon... we're heading towards "all good grinders are good grinders, regardless of price, and they're all pretty much the same."  Yet we know that while some grinders are over-achievers for their price, the general proposition that all good grinders are very similar isn't true.

(Before everyone starts picking my remark apart, I'm not arguing that an SJ grinds any better than the Rossi.  I included the SJ, because the "experts say the Vario is as good as an SJ" thing is frequently aired, just as the Vario/Mignon comparison is popular on UK and Oz websites.)  

Without any criticism of the RR45, my experience is that:
  1. Grinder "in the cup" performance tends to run with the general class of grinders;
  2. For "in the cup," class is largely determined by burr size and geometry more than build quality, or feature set;
  3. Superiority is not necessarily a step by step continuum.  The performance of the best performing grinders in a given class will overlap the performance of the lesser grinders in the next class up.  But skip a class and the differences fall into sharp relief; and
  4. A Mignon is not a Major.  
  5. QED.

So far no response to my email so I have not even received any further details.

Too soon to worry about it.  If you haven't heard by Saturday AM and you still actually want the grinder, consider upping your offer to asking price.  If it's as lightly used as she said, and there's a good long-term source for burrs, it's worth $250.  The very similar Quamar M80 goes for $450, NIB.  (Note: My RR45/Quamar comparison is not based on use of either, but on their respective burr sets, and the nearly identical things their respective users say about them.

H-B did a comparison review of the Quamar, Super Jolly, and Ceado E7.  You might want to take a look at it, in addition to the CG user reviews of the Rossi, while your offer's on the table and you still have the opportunity to raise or withdraw.    

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Posted Fri Feb 21, 2014, 8:24am
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I have not made an offer yet, I wanted to verify the condition and how it has been stored first.  If she does not respond to my email by tomorrow afternoon I will try the phone number she has listed, I just prefer to try email first.  I don't need it, I am sure my Vario-W will be fine for my needs.  I just think it will look great in my coffee bar/room I am putting together lol.  I made my son give up one of his 3 playrooms so I can have a coffee room.  I have a big kitchen but I love kitchen gadgets and my ample counter space is getting too crowded.
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