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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 7:42am
Subject: Rossi grinder?
 

Someone has this grinder for sale for $250, just says Rossi commercial grinder.  Is this a good grinder and is this a good price?

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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 8:08am
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bossman Said:

Someone has this grinder for sale for $250, just says Rossi commercial grinder.  Is this a good grinder and is this a good price?

Posted February 20, 2014 link

I believe Rossi is another mazzer rebranding: same machine different name. If you place it next to a same-year SJ it will look the same.

I would ask for more photos from inside the doser and down the hopper to see how well its been cleaned/ maintained. I have seen these grinders in coffee shops doing well, I have also seen them abused... so be careful buying used.

 
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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 8:10am
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acasabia Said:

I believe Rossi is another mazzer rebranding: same machine different name. If you place it next to a same-year SJ it will look the same.

I would ask for more photos from inside the doser and down the hopper to see how well its been cleaned/ maintained. I have seen these grinders in coffee shops doing well, I have also seen them abused... so be careful buying used.

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I would only buy it if its a really good deal.  She says she bought it and it was too much for her and only used it 3-4 times.
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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 8:54am
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UH, no a Rossi is a different grinder, the only thing they have in common is that they have hoppers, dosers and are commercial.

Most likely that is a RR45.
A few things in the pic give it away, the lanyard connecting the doser lid to the doser is a safety switch, it can be bypassed but you will need to open the grinder to do it. The design is another give away as it does not look like a SJ of any vintage it is not a bad grinder at all but it is a stepped grinder and with the stock 40 step ring, it can be a little hard to hit the grind right on, the 80 step ring goes a long way to fix this and make it easier though. They are out of business but that would not bother me much, the burrs and needed parts are easy to get and not all that expensive.

In a home environment it should last many many years.

It has a good grind quality too. The dose may need to be slightly altered up or down to make up for the larger steps. That is not a real bad thing, just a different way you need to adjust the grinder. If one step gives you 20 seconds, and the next step is 30 seconds (large difference used here to make a point) then you may need to add .5 g or subtract .5 g from the dose to get the grind/dose correct where a stepless grinder can be adjusted  to be "correct" for an exact dose. That said though, you need to adjust for taste rather than time. Some shots taste better longer or shorter in time or in volume in the cup so adjust for taste not time. Time is a good way to "get in the ballpark" but should not be a hard and fast rule.

$250 is not a bad price but it is not a steal either. Nearly all used grinders need new burrs so plan on changing them, about $45 from memory when I replaced a set of RR45 burrs.

 
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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 8:58am
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Ok thanks, she has been trying to sell it for about a month.  If I was to make an offer what would be a steal price?  Assuming it is near brand new condition like she claims.
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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 9:03am
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If it is in new condition and the burrs are sharp, offer $200 as that is what you would need to spend total on it anyway.
At auction, I have seen them go for $100 to $150 depending on condition, remember, that is wholesale, auction price in a restaurant equipment supply situation, retail in good shape, perhaps $300 to $400 depending on condition, looks, location, how much the retailer has in it and how long it has been on the shelf and how bad the buyer wants it.

 
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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 9:15am
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Awesome thank you.  I will see how badly she wants to sell it, I probably would not use it for a while anyway considering my Vario-W just came yesterday.  Would be nice to have if I could snatch it up cheap though and mod it later.
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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 9:22am
Subject: Re: Rossi grinder?
 

I think that's a Rossi RR45.  The Rossi RR45 is like a Mazzer SJ at least to the extent that they're about the same size, have metal bodies, and grind coffee.

Rossi went out of business a few years ago, what that means for parts availability -- especially burrs -- down the line, I don't know.  Worth checking.

There are a few reviews on CG, but let me give you a short summary.

Broadly:
The Rossi is a commercial, 63.5 mm flat burr grinder which has the reputation for performing "in the cup" similar to other grinders in the broad class of commercial, flat, 64s -- and yes, that includes the Mazzer SJ.  

That's very good grinding.  Very good is better than good, not as good as excellent, and far short of great.  As a general rule, you want to take people's evaluation of the "grind quality" of their own grinders with a grain of salt.  Pretty much everyone thinks that what they have is great -- and it seldom is.  

Commercial 64 flats tend to have very rugged burr carriers (which makes them consistent).  The burr size and geometry is excellent for coffee's low notes (chocolate, nuts, richness), but less good for top notes (fruits and florals) separation and nuance.  

Apples to apples
New, retail for grinders in this class with dosers, without electronics, and without timers (you'll need to add a timer, like the excellent Auber), come at a range of prices depending on build quality, convenience, and so on.  A Quamar M80 runs $450, the Mazzer SJ streets for around $650, and the Ceado E7 for around $700.  The Rossi is more like the Quamar than the Mazzer or Ceado.

You can probably find an NOS Rossi RR45 for less than $400.

Some Caveats:
  1. The RR45 is very large for a home grinder.  If your grinder must fit under cabinets, forget about it.
  2. The RR45 is stepped.  80 steps is a lot of steps, but stepped is stepped; and
  3. The RR45 is very noisy.

Bottom Line:
Is it worth $250?  If (a) It's as lightly used as your friend says; if (b) You can live with its size, noise and steppedness; and if and only if (c) There's a source for replacement burrs going into the next decade; then, (d) Yes.

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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 9:39am
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Thank you!  Being out of business might be another way to talk her down on the price.  I don't know her just found it in an add online, I will low ball her and see if she bites otherwise pass on it.
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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 1:57pm
Subject: Re: Rossi grinder?
 

Rich, yep, we are both on the same page. No harm in trying for less though :D

 
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