For espresso, yes it's not good. I think it's a good coarse grinder and looks cool. Others will tell you the same thing I am, just being honest. There is one other regular poster that has a Proline but forgetting who it is, he'll say the same thing. Loving it is fine, heck people love their Capreso Infinities, their Bodums, their Breville Smart Grinders etc and think their pulling espresso with them... see what I'm saying? You can mod it to be step-less though which will help dialing in, but the burr set from the factory isn't good for fines control or grind consistency, making it step-less will help though.
Just trying to help, you want a grinder that doesn't really exist, save for the Elektra which is the old Anfim grinder that I don't think is made anymore. And everyone and their mother will tell you the Rocky is not good and out of date on here as well, or HB. HG-One is awesome, but their not going to make it in copper or brass.
Posted Thu Jan 23, 2014, 9:08pm Subject: Re: Copper or brass grinder?
Eureka makes a couple of other brass/copper grinders. They're commercial quality, commercial size, and very expensive -- probably a great deal more than Jen wants to spend.
I found a few North American sources for La Pavoni's brass Tre Spade: Here's one, here's another, and it's also available on Amazon. I'm not personally familiar with the grinder, but it uses a tre-spade burr set -- which is a good thing in its price range; but on the other, it only has nine settings. So, I can't recommend it. I'm also not familiar with the retailers, so don't take the links as recommendation or vouching one way or the other.
La Pavoni seems to think of their "Jolly" as the companion grinder to their little levers. I know zip about them. Here's a link to a North American retailer who sells the dosered version with a brass body.
I'm sympathetic to both sides of the discussion. CMIN is right that grinder quality limits the quality of the espresso, and that the grinders Jen references are quite limiting. Jen is right that its her aesthetic which counts.
Coffee Geek discussions are almost always "best performance for the price," but not in this case.
dwRK Senior Member Joined: 14 Sep 2013 Posts: 92 Location: Houston Expertise: Just starting
Posted Thu Jan 23, 2014, 10:32pm Subject: Re: Copper or brass grinder?
other than the few brass and copper color grinders already mentioned...another possibility is to dress it up using reflective plastic foil, brass foil or as a home diy beat metal project like this...here
to put these on the rocky is easy because it is mostly flat panels.
for a matching pair...chrome would be easier as there are more chrome grinders around.
Jen, the Rocky does not suck, but it's not a very good grinder . . . not today when other grinders have surpassed the quality of the Rocky for the same or less money. Honest.
Look at it this way: there was a time when (for example) the 1960 VW Beetle was THE best car out there for the money in terms of basic transportation and what the college student could afford. But is it still the best? The Rocky is virtually unchanged from when it first introduced. For that matter, the Siliva isn't all that different, regardless of whatever version they are calling it now, from what it was when it was first introduced, and the Silvia, too, has replaced as the #1 (or #2) home machine.
Times change. And no one here is looking to steer you wrong . . .
The Macap M4 looks best of the options mentioned so far! The EP in brass is a real looker, I can imagine it having pride of place where visitors can see it even when it is not being used.
Jen, how about the rest of your espresso setup? I.e. cups, tamper, coffee tin, etc. There may not be an obvious / immediate design connection between the EP and whichever grinder you may choose, but if you mentally lay out all the accessories beside the EP you might be able to visualize the grinder that will fit in the big picture :)
Personally I wouldn't mind the Pharos if it were my choice. You could put it away (which you can't do with an electric grinder) or leave it out with the brass EP as both are worthy pieces of functional art albeit different.
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