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Gallansio
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Posted Fri Jan 3, 2014, 2:16pm
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moosepucky Said:

Do you still use the pressure basket?

Posted January 3, 2014 link

Yes. But I want to go unpressurized.  I removed all the parts that make it pressurized, but didn't get great results, probably because the grind.
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Posted Fri Jan 3, 2014, 2:52pm
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Gallansio Said:

What do you guys think about a used Rancilio Rocky. Will that be better than a Preciso?

Posted January 3, 2014 link

I have no personal experience with the Rancilio grinders, only the Preciso (Maestro plus, Vario-W, and Forte).


Gallansio Said:

Do you still use the pressure basket?

Yes. But I want to go unpressurized.  I removed all the parts that make it pressurized, but didn't get great results, probably because the grind.

Posted January 3, 2014 link

with all of the pressure assistance/enhancement parts remove from the portafilter it "should" behave like any normal single boiler dual purpose machine and grind (and to a lesser degree tamp pressure) will become critical to getting a good shot at this point.
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Gallansio
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Posted Fri Jan 3, 2014, 3:02pm
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My gut tells me that the Barista machine was never intended to be used unpressurized and therefor I won't ever be able to get a decent shot without all the pressurized components.  Something to do with not having enough power or whatever.  That's my gut, I could be wrong.  Am I?
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Posted Fri Jan 3, 2014, 3:50pm
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Gallansio Said:

My gut tells me that the Barista machine was never intended to be used unpressurized and therefor I won't ever be able to get a decent shot without all the pressurized components.  Something to do with not having enough power or whatever.  That's my gut, I could be wrong.  Am I?

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Barista can be used unpressurized as long as you have an espresso capable grinder

Looks like you haven't gotten an grinder yet unless I missed it? You mention wanting to go from Aeropress to Espresso switching grinds, there's really no grinder that can do that, either reliably or at all (most of the stepless commercial type grinders will give you a fit trying to do this and dial in). The Preciso and Vario technically "can", however not recommended as it will place extra wear and tear on the plastic and in the case of the Preciso you'll pry be busting adjustment rings, and the extra wear will displace your "settings" you previously used if you tried going back especially for espresso. Grinders are best off used for a single purpose. You'd have to do something like the Preciso only for espresso, and get an Skerton etc for Aeropress needs.

Not a fan of the Rocky even a modded one I used. However they can sometimes be found cheap, think some members have scored used deals on them for like $50 or less but that's rare. If you can pick one up cheap and mod it (stepless mod etc) you can do so, still stuck with it's quirks like retention etc. I single dose so love the Baratzas only tiny amount of retention.
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Posted Sat Jan 4, 2014, 8:07pm
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Gallansio Said:

OE Pharos: No offense, but there's no way my wife is going to let me put that thing on my counter.  It looks like a shop tool. I'm sure it's a fine grinder, but it ain't going to happen. Ruling this one out too.

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Replaced with - yes I can see that, the Pharos is not an attractive creature, and there definitely was not much attention to detail during the design phase in the "looks" department.  It is ugly.
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Posted Sat Jan 4, 2014, 8:55pm
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boar_d_laze Said:

astronomy

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Hey, we have something in common Boar!  LOL
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Posted Sat Jan 4, 2014, 9:49pm
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Gallansio Said:

What do you guys think about a used Rancilio Rocky. Will that be better than a Preciso?

Posted January 3, 2014 link

The others have been nice in their responses, but I am sure there are some that may want to say  "I think you going backwards and in the wrong direction".

The Preciso IMHO is not THAT much better than a Rocky, but a Rocky as a older, stepped grinder that might of been considered an acceptable choice for a home grinder years ago - today, I would say you could do much better for the money.

If you are headed into the 300's in $$, get a refurb'd Vario or even a new one!  You will thank yourself later...

PLUS the Vario is probably one grinder that passes your "wife wants it to look good on the counter" filter.
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Posted Tue Jan 7, 2014, 1:10pm
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Gallansio Said:

My gut tells me that the Barista machine was never intended to be used unpressurized and therefor I won't ever be able to get a decent shot without all the pressurized components.  Something to do with not having enough power or whatever.  That's my gut, I could be wrong.  Am I?

Posted January 3, 2014 link

I have an older starbucks barista, and I pulled all of the guts out of the portafilter, it has been doing a fine job for what it is.  I bought this machine to get back in the espresso game after taking a few year break, and didn't have the cash to invest big in a setup.  I paired it with the LeLit PL53 and it gave me great, repeatable results.  Over the last few weeks I have used it with a bunch of other grinders, including a Rancilio Rocky doserless, and it has done great too.  Personally, I don't make pourover or French Press that often, so when I do, I use a vintage zassenhaus and it does the trick.  

I haven't used the Baratza gear, but it sounds like the Vario or Preciso would do a great job for what you need it to do, and you could always sell it if you felt like upgrading down the road.  Did you check Baratza's site? They have refurbs for a good deal usually.
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Posted Tue Jan 7, 2014, 5:30pm
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I have a Baratza Vario that I really like, but it's out of your stated price range.  Would work well for your setup though.  I don't know the Preciso, so can't comment on that.

As far as recommendations go, if you can wait a while longer I think that Orphan Espresso, OE, will be officially introducing the Lido 2 manual grinder.  It's quite a bit slimmer than the Pharos, looks like it will be easier to use too.  So far they are projecting a price of $175 I read, so it would be within your budget.  They've put alot of work into getting this grinder to work well and are currently overseeing the production of the first units in Taiwan to make sure they meet the exacting needs and specs.  They should have it listed on their website when it's ready to sell.

As far as the espresso machine goes you'll be able to make espresso without the pressurized PF.  Some people develop processes that work quite well for that machine, so hopefully everything works out well for you.  The grinder will work for this as well as much better espresso machines, at least that's what the current hype sounds like.
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Posted Thu Jan 9, 2014, 9:05am
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DanoM Said:

As far as recommendations go, if you can wait a while longer I think that Orphan Espresso, OE, will be officially introducing the Lido 2 manual grinder.  It's quite a bit slimmer than the Pharos, looks like it will be easier to use too.
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Posted January 7, 2014 link

Just so this does not drift into the archives with a questionable recommendation, read by someone new at a later date - the LIDO is NOT a good choice for an espresso grinder.  It is excellent for FP / drip / pour over - it was designed to give the most consistent coarse grind possible - and it does a great job at that.

OE's grinder offering for espresso is the Pharos - and that has already been mentioned - but NOT the LIDO for full time espresso.  Maybe once or twice if you were in a pinch, but with the smallish 38mm burrs, it just will not do the job as an espresso grinder.
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