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ikotka
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Posted Thu Dec 19, 2013, 5:12pm
Subject: Super Jolly too much for me?
 

I've got an original Quickmill Vetrano, using it on and off for several years with an obviously subpar Gaggia MDF. I haven't used the espresso machine for quite awhile now because the grinder is just awful and so have switched to pour over, using beans bought and ground locally 2x a week. I've been trolling craigslist for a bit now and finally got the go-ahead from my Hubs to splurge on a grinder.
Found a Mazzer SJ for $300 (which i know is like 1/2 the retail), but I'm curious is it too much for a home barista (height isn't an issue) or a good match for my machine? And last, is that a good used price? I'm operating under the fact that'd I'd need to replace the burrs.

This is the info I got from the seller in reply to some preliminary questions I asked:
The condition:  Very good
How old is it: bought in October 2006 and we closed our shop in June 2012.  Been in storage since then.
Have the burrs ever been replaced? Once
What was use like? Medium to light.  Our shop never did get going given the economy. We did run about 1/4 of white rice through the grinders for cleaning every night.

Might need to use some vaccuming and grindz to clean any starch or whatnot from the rice grinding, or not cuz I'd replace the burrs....Never had a good grinder so I'll have to research.

One side question: I've heard/read that using the SJ for other brew methods isn't great (espresso->pour over) because it's a pain. I suppose I'll drink mostly americanos & capps if I get the SJ, but right now I do a lot of pour over (chem and single cup). Would I eventually need to grab a different grinder for that, like a Baratza?
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Doolittlej
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Posted Thu Dec 19, 2013, 6:12pm
Subject: Re: Super Jolly too much for me?
 

Updating the grinder is the number one improvement most people can make.  You will never be sad that you did it.  $300 is a fair price.  If you really want the ability to switch between pour over and espresso the baratza vario is your only easy grinder option, and you will rarely find those used.   I wouldn't dream of using the SJ for dual purpose because it would be a pain and a waste of beans to dial it in after making a change.
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Posted Fri Dec 20, 2013, 6:56am
Subject: Re: Super Jolly too much for me?
 

That is a fair price on a low time grinder, no it is not too much, as above, the grinder is very important to the process.

SJs are built like tanks, replace the burrs and you should be fine for a long, long time.

Check my mod, the CBSJ mod for the doser to make it sweep cleanly.

Enjoy!! :D

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machinemods/562237

The SJ should be used as an espresso only grinder. That is what it was designed for and what it excels at. For now, use the MDF as an "other" grinder. Espresso requires a different kind of grind than other methods use, it is more technical, a bi or tri modal grind but very consistent grind. To that, it takes a little effort to dial in your grind for your  shots and a small change makes a big difference on an espresso grinder, it would be a real PAIN to change back and forth on SJ, something you would soon abandon even if I told you that it was just fine to use SJ for both  :D

 
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Posted Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:16pm
Subject: Re: Super Jolly too much for me?
 

ikotka Said:

Found a Mazzer SJ for $300 (which i know is like 1/2 the retail), but I'm curious is it too much for a home barista (height isn't an issue) or a good match for my machine?

Posted December 19, 2013 link

Definitely not "too much" for a home barista in general.  SJ is commonly recommended and used as a basis for comparison.  It's your call whether it's too much for you or not.
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ikotka
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Posted Fri Dec 20, 2013, 5:22pm
Subject: Re: Super Jolly too much for me?
 

The price is fine. I woulda preferred a little less (who wouldn't?) but only because I'd gotten the Quickmill on the super cheap in superb condition. Either way, I have to drive 2 hours to get the SJ, but I think I'm gonna take the plunge. Other options more locally are San Marco 90 for $300, but I haven't heard/read anything about that one. I think by asking if the SJ is too much of a machine for a home barista (granted, a silly question), I'm more likely a little intimidated by such a massive grinder. But I think 4 years is too long for my machine to go without a quality grinder. I owe it to the Vetrano. <3
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Posted Fri Dec 20, 2013, 5:57pm
Subject: Re: Super Jolly too much for me?
 

No, it is not too much grinder if you expect to use it regularly.

I've had mine for about half a year now and I am glad that I stepped up and got one right off.

Mine was also low usage (belonged to a church and was used sparingly for their meetings and get togethers).

If you are still planning on drinking pour over and drip, you should consider getting a second grinder.

It takes a little while to dial in an espresso grinder so you don't want to make major adjustment settings as you may burn through 10+ cups of espresso before you get it back to where it should be.  In a home environment this would equate to way too many days of bad espresso to handle IMHO.

I currently have 1 espresso grinder (Super Jolly) and 2 pour over grinders (Baratza Forte BG and Preciso/esatto).   This seems to be "the ticket" for the way I drink coffee.
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