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atytse
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Posted Tue Nov 5, 2013, 8:13am
Subject: Need help with Baratza Virtuoso
 

Hi friends, I'm quite new to the coffee community only recently having fallen in love with trying to make a perfect espresso shot.  I own an Oscar Nuova Simonelli and Baratza Virtuoso.

My current question is with regard to the grind size with my espresso beans.  I'm seeing nice extraction out of Oscar Nuova (long thin tail) but I'm tasting bitter coffee. The current setting at my Virtuoso is 2 which seems too low. Yet if I try to increase it, I feel like the coffee will be under extracted (since the water flow is really quick).

Any tips or advice? I've read elsewhere that folks set their Virtuoso to setting 11 for espresso grinding which is really different than my current setting. Thanks much.
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Posted Tue Nov 5, 2013, 8:27am
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Welcome to CoffeeGeek!

I'm afraid the steps of the Baratza Virtuoso are too few and too wide for dialing in correctly, so that the right setting is somewhere in between two steps. It's just not the right grinder for that particular use.

The entry level electrical grinder for brewing espresso is the Preciso.

 
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Posted Tue Nov 5, 2013, 9:31am
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You could play with the dose amount to make up for the Virtuoso inadequacy, but it'll be a lost cause pretty much. The Virtuoso doesn't dial in for espresso regardless of what some retailers will tell you, awesome coarse grinder though especially since it has the Preciso burr set. The Preciso and Vario are for espresso as they have macro and micro adjustments that basically let the grinders act "steppless". If you can return the Virtuoso and grab an preciso or vario you'll be far better off, especially with the Vario and it's awesome ceramic flat burrs.
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Posted Tue Nov 5, 2013, 9:35am
Subject: Re: Need help with Baratza Virtuoso
 

I have a Virtuoso with Esatto that I use for Drip and Vac pot only now. I have on occasion used it for espresso but never went lower than 7.   2 seems really low.  Yes it needs more steps but I never had the problem you experienced. ie 7 too slow or choke and 8 too fast. Not prefect but I could manage. How old are your beans? Again 2 seems realy really low wonder if there isn't something else up with the grinder.
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Posted Tue Nov 5, 2013, 12:16pm
Subject: Re: Need help with Baratza Virtuoso
 

You  can tweak the grinder by adjusting the setting inside.  See this Baratza bulletin:

http://www.baratza.com/wp-content/uploads/recalibration.pdf

As others have said the adjustments on that model are very far spaced (from click to click) so hitting it dead on for one batch of beans might be off for another batch of beans.

They do make great drip and pour over grinders though.
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Posted Tue Nov 5, 2013, 7:11pm
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You guys are really awesome. Thanks for all the replies.

Wanted to followup with few more questions.

  1. What does recalibration do? Is that a must tweak to better utilize the grinder?
  2. I tried setting it to 7 but the coffee just comes out too quickly during extraction.  Changed to 5 and it's still pretty fast.  2 gave me the nice golden long tail but as you noted it's really too low of a setting.  So what else could be wrong?
  3. How often do you clean your grinder? Do you use those grindz tablets or do you just dissemble it and wash the components?

I'm asking to see if there's a trade in program to get the precioso. Thanks!
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Posted Tue Nov 5, 2013, 7:13pm
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Oh and one more question. When you're changing the grinder setting, a technician told me that you should change it when you're grinding. Don't just change the setting without grinding. Does that sound accurate?
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Posted Tue Nov 5, 2013, 8:34pm
Subject: Re: Need help with Baratza Virtuoso
 

atytse Said:

I tried setting it to 7 but the coffee just comes out too quickly during extraction.  Changed to 5 and it's still pretty fast.  2 gave me the nice golden long tail but as you noted it's really too low of a setting.  So what else could be wrong?

Posted November 5, 2013 link

How old are the beans that you use, that means when were they roasted?

 
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Posted Wed Nov 6, 2013, 1:01am
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The beans were roasted about 5 days ago.

I recalibrated my grinder to fine and the setting now is at 3.
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Posted Wed Nov 6, 2013, 3:00am
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I just switched different beans and have the setting at 4 and the extraction just gushed out.  Maybe I really need finer grind setting with the Virtuoso?
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