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DM67
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Posted Sat Nov 2, 2013, 8:35am
Subject: Grinder - Main purpose Drip
 

Hello everyone,

Not a coffee geek but do like coffee :)

A few questions regarding grinders for drip coffee maker.

What we have:
Coffee Maker - Mr. Coffee 12 cup
French Press - Java city (I think)
Coffee - Starbucks already ground bag - Sumatra is our favorite.

So we do not have sophisticated stuff. On weekends we may make an 8 cup batch which is two "normal" cups each for us.
I have an Amazon gift card for $150. And have not been able to decide what to get. Then thought about a grinder. I have done some research and below are some that appear in the price point.
  1. Baratza Encore
  2. Bodum Bistro
  3. Capresso?

What I am looking for in a grinder:
  1. Consistency good enough for drip - looked like as grind gets coarser the consistency drops? Does this matter for drip and press?
  2. Can grind darker roast beans - Read that some have problems doing this. I was going to go with the Encore when I read a review it was not made for dark roast? This is the main question I have despite the long post :)
  3. Handle making enough coffee for 4 "normal" cups per day.
  4. Somewhat quiet
  5. Easy to clean

I can go up some in price if there is enough reason to do so. Do not plan to make espresso drinks anytime soon. Course after the espresso drink I had today I may have to start making my own. But if say the Rocky or similar will be a good drip grinder I can consider. But if I read right most folks have two, one for drip and one for espresso.  

I assume that no matter what grinder I go with it will be miles ahead of the store bought pre-ground stuff?
Also have started considering ordering roasted coffee as some have mentioned that dark (charred) from commercial roasters may not mean dark at local type roasters?


Thanks,
David
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moosepucky
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Espresso: Pasquini Livia 90 auto
Grinder: Super Jolly - Forte BG -...
Vac Pot: Cona - Santos
Drip: Bodum - Chemex - Hario -...
Roaster: Hottop KN-8828-B
Posted Sat Nov 2, 2013, 4:28pm
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Have you read the reviews on this site?  This would be a good place to start.

Baratza: http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/grinders/baratzaencore

Bodum: http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/grinders/bodumbistrogrinder

Capresso?:  There are 3 models listed in the reviews section http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/grinders?Letter=C#C


Here is the Baratza Maestro plus reviews (Encore is a revamped Maestro plus): http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/grinders/baratzamaestroplus

The only one that you have listed that I am versed in are the Baratza grinders as I have owned one model or another for many years now.  I've had many of their grinders over the years and at present I have 3 of them (2 at one house and the third at another).  I've been pretty satisfied with their performance and would have to say that you would be satisfied with the Encore for a drip grinder.

My current "collection" of Baratza include a Maestro plus that I have had for over 5 years, a Preciso mounted on an Esatto, and a Vario-W.

An older pic of my Baratza family portrait (before Jr. went off to permanently live with a friend)

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DM67
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Posted Sun Nov 3, 2013, 3:55am
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Thanks moosepucky for the reply!

I did look at most of the links prior and went back to make sure I did not miss anything.

When I read them first, I chose the Encore although it only had the 2 reviews (had not looked at Maestro at the time).
Then when I got to Amazon, and read the reviews there the following excerpt is what got me looking harder:
"...I contacted Baritza directly. Their Technical Consultant was very good, but expressed that a dark, large, oily bean is a known problem with this machine and would not recommend it."

Today reading reviews from links provided -
Bottom Line: Not a good grinder for home roasted, oily beans. - Bodum
Bottom Line: solid, well built, great but not for dark roast beans - Infinity

So my question/concern is, as we drink Sumatra which as I understand it is a dark oily bean.....which of the 3 has a better chance of grinding that type of coffee?

Also in from the Amazon review the person stated Baratza tech said the next step up the Virtuoso does not have a problem with the dark oily beans.

Next step up as I see it -
Baratza Virtuoso - Bottom Line: Great grinder if you don't use dark flavored coffee (so seems different opinion that Baratza).
KitchenAid Proline-
Gaggia MDF
Breville BCG800XL Smart Grinder

Do I spend more for another grinder or diminishing returns for drip coffee and the dark oily beans are issues for most lower level grinders?

At this point I think I am leaning towards the Encore to try out grinding coffee... I believe it will have to be a big step up from the pre-ground coffee. We put the coffee in a sealed container but it lasts almost a week so should be going stale. From what I read 15 minute rule has long expired :)

David
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moosepucky
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moosepucky
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Location: USA
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Espresso: Pasquini Livia 90 auto
Grinder: Super Jolly - Forte BG -...
Vac Pot: Cona - Santos
Drip: Bodum - Chemex - Hario -...
Roaster: Hottop KN-8828-B
Posted Sun Nov 3, 2013, 8:08am
Subject: Re: Grinder - Main purpose Drip
 

I "believe" when you see "dark oily" that it means dark roasted such as espresso roast which is very oily.  The issue with this type of bean is that they might be a little too slippery to feed into the burrs properly.  Keeping the hopper filled typically resolves that problem should it arise.

For pour over or drip grind you "should" not have an issue as the spacing is such that the beans should feed through.  The problem "may" arise with fine espresso or Turkish grinds which the Baratza Encore is really not capable of anyway.  It is a very good low priced drip and coarser grinder, not an espresso grinder.

I think you would be more than satisfied with the Encore for the type of grinding you will be doing regardless of what beans you feed it.

They are easy to take down for cleaning (burr removal is a finger operation, no tools needed).

Baratza also has some very good online "user level" service/tweaking guides that are easy to follow should you need to slow the motor speed down to handle the beans you are using:  http://www.baratza.com/wp-content/uploads/Speed-Reduction.pdf

Their email and phone support is right up there with the best companies that I have dealt with.  They are fast, pleasant, and knowledgeable.

Again all of my experience with grinders has been with either the Baratza line or the Mazzer line of grinders so I have no first hand advice for you regarding other makes of grinder you are looking at.
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DM67
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Posted Sun Nov 3, 2013, 6:18pm
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Appreciate the replies moosepucky and the explanation concerning the oily beans.

I plan to purchase the Encore. Hopefully will have it here in a few days.
I will post a follow-up on what I experience with the Encore.

Thanks again for the advice.

David
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