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Skylar
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Posted Mon Oct 28, 2013, 3:20pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio rocky vs. baratza preciso for espresso newbie
 

Had a Gaggia and have the lelit. The lelit is easier to pull shots. Larger boiler. I did not make decent shots with either until I broke down and bought a decent grinder. Mine was and is the lelit pl53. BUT it is a dedicated espresso grinder. If your friend wants to do other than espresso they will have to buy something else for coarser grinds. Oh dear, such a problem!

But of course they might just concentrate on espresso and milk drinks at first and if that is a satisfying (hobby, obsession, caffeine fueled catharsis) maybe they can convince themselves to buy more fun coffee stuff.

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Posted Mon Oct 28, 2013, 6:27pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio rocky vs. baratza preciso for espresso newbie
 

ok here's a couple scenarios - which is better?

cheaper machine (refurb gaggia classic with free shipping) and great grinder -the refurb Vario grinder. total price is around $650-$700

better machine (lelit pl041QE + shipping unless i find somewhere with free shipping) and not as good grinder, the refurb Preciso grinder. total price probably over $700
If I could find a refurbished or used Lelit then I think my decision would be clearer...

Also, how imortant is it to have a new Silvia, the v3, vs. an older used one that is the v2.. ? Cuz a brand new v3 silvia is really just too expensive for the budget we're working with. But for the price of the used v2 silvia i'm looking into, there is the Lelit pl041QE - which would be new! So what should I do?
OH i just found a refurbished Silvia, for $500. someone posted this link to somebody else. Click Here (www.aabreecoffee.com)
Is the Gaggia really cheapo? Because some forums I was reading on Home Barista seemed to give that impression...

Aaah there's too many variables- impossible to choose!
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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 7:01am
Subject: Re: Rancilio rocky vs. baratza preciso for espresso newbie
 

WOO HOO ok I just scored an amazing deal, with a friend who works at a Rancilio warehouse, so I'm definately going with the Silvia, it'll be a refurbished one but unbeatable price! Plus I will be traveling to Chicago next month so I could pick it up!
So with that awesome deal, I think she can now afford the refurb Vario easily too and she'll have a nice little beginner setup with a great grinder!! :)
Thanks guys, couldn't have done it without you!

~jessie
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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 7:21am
Subject: Re: Rancilio rocky vs. baratza preciso for espresso newbie
 

sounds like great news!  Would you mind disclosing the price of said amazing deal?

 
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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 11:26am
Subject: Re: Rancilio rocky vs. baratza preciso for espresso newbie
 

As always, the grinder matters more.  Definitely not the Rocky.

Lady_Croft Said:

Because some forums I was reading on Home Barista seemed to give that impression...

Posted October 28, 2013 link

Always consider the source.  The Home Barista guys generally wouldn't consider any SBDU worth touching.
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Lady_Croft
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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 3:19pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio rocky vs. baratza preciso for espresso newbie
 

hmm definately not the rocky you say? That would also by opinion... but my friend seems to like it because she likes how it looks! :-O her other option is the Preciso. Should I definately steer her toward the Preciso?? I want her to be happy but also to get good results. :)

What are the cons of the Rocky? some peopl obviously think its ok.. but what would be worse about that compared to the Preciso? Besides the fact that I think the Preciso would be better for optionally making pour-overs or vac pots which she wants to. Would the rocky be not good for those at all?
Jess

Oh, the amazing price is $350 possibly, for a refurbished V3.. hehe :) good deal, no?
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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 3:57pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio rocky vs. baratza preciso for espresso newbie
 

Lady_Croft Said:

hmm definately not the rocky you say? That would also by opinion... but my friend seems to like it because she likes how it looks! :-O her other option is the Preciso. Should I definately steer her toward the Preciso?? I want her to be happy but also to get good results. :)

What are the cons of the Rocky? some peopl obviously think its ok.. but what would be worse about that compared to the Preciso? Besides the fact that I think the Preciso would be better for optionally making pour-overs or vac pots which she wants to. Would the rocky be not good for those at all?
Jess

Oh, the amazing price is $350 possibly, for a refurbished V3.. hehe :) good deal, no?

Posted October 29, 2013 link

Rocky is out of date, I've used a modded Rocky. Stock form it has wide steps make for poor dialing, poor burr alignment, large grind retention (I personally love single dosing and the Baratzas rock for that). Even when modded like the stepless mod etc it's still just an "ok" grinder then. I one I played with long ago had the stepless mod. Most of the reviews you see online from people praising it, are like from 10+ years ago. There are quite a few that use it for coarse needs though. And if you search you can sometimes snag a used one for cheap, someone on here found one for like 40 bucks or something and only needed new burrs if I recall.... in that case that's a killer deal, but new... no way.

That said it's built like a tank and will pry outlive her lol.
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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 7:36pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio rocky vs. baratza preciso for espresso newbie
 

Yeah, $350 is a great price. Gives some room to install a PID.

Iirc, Rocky has 40 steps, while Preciso is nearly stepless at 440. That's a huge difference in being a able to dial in a shot. As someone else mentioned, the best way to go between espresso and other brew methods is to have 2 grinders...something to consider for sure.

 
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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 8:20pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio rocky vs. baratza preciso for espresso newbie
 

I have to speak up for Rocky.  I've had mine for over a decade and will probably stick with it for years to come.  I don't currently make espresso at home but found Rocky perfectly adequate for achieving a decent pour with my Silvia.

Having used a Rocky, Preciso, and Vario, the Rocky gives a more consistent grind than the Preciso.  The Vario and Preciso have a lot more steps but the better consistency of bigger burrs is worth something.  If I wanted something better, I would be looking at something with even bigger burrs.  Maybe a Mazzer or Anfim.

    Jim

 
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brianl
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Posted Wed Oct 30, 2013, 6:41am
Subject: Re: Rancilio rocky vs. baratza preciso for espresso newbie
 

between the preciso, vario and rocky. There isn't even a comparison. Get the Vario.
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