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jchung
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Posted Wed Sep 25, 2013, 8:10am
Subject: Grinder upgrade sometime next year...
 

So... I'm planning to get a new grinder sometime next year and I figured I should start my research early.

I expect my budget to be in the $1500 range. And here are the features I think I want:

- Doserless
- Programmable (either by time or by weight)
- Large burrs (not decided on flat vs conical)
- Minimal mess on countertop
- "Small" hopper (home use)

I've been considering the Mahlkonig K30 and the Nuova Simonelli Mythos Barista.

Any thoughts? Any other recommendations?

Thanks!

Joo
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Wed Sep 25, 2013, 11:02am
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Wish I could be of help, those grinders are above my pay grade! I suspect that at that level they all would be pretty darn good and features and looks would be the deciding factors.

We do have members who have used them and they should have some great views on them.

 
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OttoMatic
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Espresso: Brewtus IV-R
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario,...
Drip: Capresso MT500+
Roaster: Cast iron dutch oven
Posted Wed Sep 25, 2013, 8:02pm
Subject: Re: Grinder upgrade sometime next year...
 

I have the K30 Vario and love it.  Very consistent in the grind and mass produced.  Very easy to adjust coarseness.  Minimal mess on the countertop.  You can buy the small hopper for $100+.  I'm working with a guy at work to cut my large hopper down to size for free, though.

I don't have any experience with other grinders in this price range, unfortunately.

Prior to this, I had the Mazzer Mini-E for a couple months, and I had a lot of complaints about that machine.  The K30 Vario solved all those problems.  I haven't wanted for another grinder since.

Good luck!
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jchung
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Posted Fri Sep 27, 2013, 3:57am
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Thanks for your reply OttoMatic!

What were your complaints about the Mazzer Mini-E ?
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OttoMatic
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Espresso: Brewtus IV-R
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Roaster: Cast iron dutch oven
Posted Fri Sep 27, 2013, 5:36am
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Hey there --

I wrote a number of more detailed posts about it a few months ago.  If you click on my name and search through older posts you can find them (I don't have too many posts, so it's not that bad).

In short, though, my complaints were:  inconsistent amount (will I get 21.2g or will I get 23.0?  You'll never know...), clumpiness, static, sloooowwww and noisy.  The clumping had me doing WDT every time, and the inconsistent dose had me measuring mass for every shot.
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Posted Fri Sep 27, 2013, 10:00am
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You might want to also consider the ProM, as it's a step up in grind quality of a Vario and made for home use. This is probably the best, unbiased review out there; Click Here (10000shots.com)

Do check out the comments too at the bottom as they answer some questions you will probably have with the review and how it compares to other grinders.

 
Less water, more grounds.
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Posted Fri Sep 27, 2013, 10:02am
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I'm in a similar situation although I am willing to spend more if it means I won't want to upgrade.

These are some of the choices I've found.

Mahlkoenig Vario K30 (~$1450)
Used Mazzer (most likely a Major ~$1100), but Robur E is "the best"... which I might go for because it will mean I won't need to ever upgrade for maybe 10 years or more
Compak K10 Fresh (~$2000)
Compak K10 Pro Barista (~$1500)
Wega 6.8? (~$1500)
Anfim Super Caimano (haven't looked much into this one)
They all seem to have pros and cons.

The K30 is convenient but it's a flat burr. Apparently gets hot.
Mazzers are expensive. Conical with electronic dosing is Robur I believe.
K10s are conical burrs but retain too much grounds and seems like incredible pain in the ass for home use with single dosing.
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Posted Fri Sep 27, 2013, 12:38pm
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shnxx Said:

The K30 is convenient but it's a flat burr. Apparently gets hot.
K10s are conical burrs but retain too much grounds and seems like incredible pain in the ass for home use with single dosing.

Posted September 27, 2013 link

I wouldn't worry about your coffee getting too hot unless you are planning on opening a cafe with heavy traffic. You are mixing commerical issues with home issues.

Just buy what you want because it sounds like your budget isn't a contraint beyond the mental and if you don't get the grinder you want now most likely you will have a nagging feeling you are missing something and you will sell the grinder you 'settled' on even though it's the more pratical decision.

Espresso is like love, let your heart decide.

 
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Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
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Posted Mon Sep 30, 2013, 11:24am
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OttoMatic Said:

I have the K30 Vario and love it.  Very consistent in the grind and mass produced.  Very easy to adjust coarseness.  Minimal mess on the countertop.

Posted September 25, 2013 link

Agreed, on all counts!  My Mahlkönig K30 Vario has ended my "upgrade" fever, and I love it as much now as when I first got it nearly five years ago . . .

 
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Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
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Espresso: Quick Mill Vetrano 2B
Grinder: Mazzer Robour E
Vac Pot: French Press
Drip: no
Roaster: Fresh Roast+8,  i-roast and...
Posted Tue Oct 1, 2013, 5:29pm
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Macap M7D Grinder ... that's on sale right now at CCS.  

It's a conical 68mm electronic dosing.  $1499 now on for 1325!  That's a hell of a deal for a 68mm conical.  I don't have one of my own but It's a lot cheaper then a Robour or a K10 fresh which is the grinder I'm thinking about.  

The specs look good but again, I have no experience with it.  I wish someone could compare it to another similar grinder.
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