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dana_leighton
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Espresso: Isomac Relax; Caferina...
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Posted Thu Sep 19, 2013, 9:43pm
Subject: Re: Looking for my first grinder - Student who would appreciate all help
 

PeterWWbeagle Said:

I find it odd that a company has so many returned or defective units that it has weekly postings Of refurbed units so often that everyone on the board here knows where and when.  To me, that speaks legions about the quality of the company.

Posted September 19, 2013 link

That's right - The company is first-rate. You will not find a better group of people than Kyle and his team. There may be many reasons that a grinder winds up "refurbished," including buyer's remorse. To make a blanket statement that a company has more refurbs for sale than any other company and then to make some kind of quality judgment about the products/company does not consider lots of variables, including volume of sales, design considerations, cost constraints, manufacturing issues, return policies, etc.

Many folks have Baratza grinders with no problems ever (including me, except for needing some shims), and I know if I ever do that the company will take care of me. I can guarantee that if I have trouble with my Macap, I will not be able to call Macap to get it resolved. One call to Baratza and they'll take care of it. And, yes, that grinder will get refurbished and sold to some lucky person for a fraction of the new price.

And, unlike Kyle, I can guarantee that the owner of Macap or Mazzer won't be posting on CoffeeGeek! :)

If you have any doubts about the quality of Baratza's refurbs, I'd point you to this thread at H-B. A great deal on a great product.

 
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greglepore
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 6:15am
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PeterWWbeagle Said:

I find it odd that a company has so many returned or defective units that it has weekly postings Of refurbed units so often that everyone on the board here knows where and when.  To me, that speaks legions about the quality of the company.  

Wonder if Mazzer, Anfim or Rossi ever have weekly refurb postings.  For $300, I would seek out a great used Commerical grinder and have it for life.  commercial grinders do not wear out and do not contain plastic gears or adjustments.

Posted September 19, 2013 link

+1. If you are patient, there are some nice deals on ebay from time to time-I picked up a ridiculously clean LaPavoni Zip for under 250 shipped.
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 6:32am
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Since you are aware of quality grinder, be not mislead by the grinder with a lot of features that can give headache after few operations. Be sure to get a grinder that can give you the best quality of espresso grounds. If a grinder has a 300 watts power, surely it is a high quality grinder that can grind beans faster.

In addition, choose a grinder that have stainless blade to stay sharp for the entire life of the grinder. You also need to have a grinder that is easy to clean such as the conical burr grinder because the grinding wheels can be typically removed. You can also look at eBay and find coffee grinders by category.

 
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 7:09am
Subject: Re: Looking for my first grinder - Student who would appreciate all help
 

CoffeeLoversMag Said:

Since you are aware of quality grinder, be not mislead by the grinder with a lot of features that can give headache after few operations. Be sure to get a grinder that can give you the best quality of espresso grounds. If a grinder has a 300 watts power, surely it is a high quality grinder that can grind beans faster.

In addition, choose a grinder that have stainless blade to stay sharp for the entire life of the grinder. You also need to have a grinder that is easy to clean such as the conical burr grinder because the grinding wheels can be typically removed. You can also look at eBay and find coffee grinders by category.

Posted September 20, 2013 link

You know, sometimes you just have to say, What The F***?!?!?!  Sadly, I find myself saying that more and more -- each time you post.  Seriously, I don't even know where to begin, except to say that -- like many of your posts -- it is filled with misinformation . . .

a)  300 watts of power only means that the grinder has 300 watts of power.  Period.  It does not automatically translate into "this is a high quality grinder."

b)  You do not want a grinder that has blades.  Period.  Stainless or otherwise.

c)  Few burr grinders (if any!) use stainless steel for their grinding burrs.  Some use hardened steel.  Some use titanium.  Some use ceramics.  All can, and do, work excellently.  The same is true for grinders with flat burr sets and conical burr sets.  Both function extremely well; the differences between them is -- in a home (rather than commercial) setting -- largely one of personal preference, as they have different flavor profiles, and expense.  

d)  Regardless of the material used to make the burr sets, EVERY manufacturer advises to replace the burr sets after grinding ____ number of pounds/kilos, the specific number varying with the specific grinder and specific burr set.

I could continue, but  . . . why.

 
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Frost
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 8:16am
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Your choice between the louder but consistent reliable PL53 or the quieter but less consistent and reliable Preciso with excellent customer service.
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CMIN
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Espresso: Crossland CC1
Grinder: Baratza Preciso
Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:00pm
Subject: Re: Looking for my first grinder - Student who would appreciate all help
 

CoffeeLoversMag Said:

Since you are aware of quality grinder, be not mislead by the grinder with a lot of features that can give headache after few operations. Be sure to get a grinder that can give you the best quality of espresso grounds. If a grinder has a 300 watts power, surely it is a high quality grinder that can grind beans faster.

In addition, choose a grinder that have stainless blade to stay sharp for the entire life of the grinder. You also need to have a grinder that is easy to clean such as the conical burr grinder because the grinding wheels can be typically removed. You can also look at eBay and find coffee grinders by category.

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your post hurt my head, can you please just stop posting lol, I hope your coffee mag followers don't follow your poor advice.
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ddubick
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 1:12pm
Subject: Re: Looking for my first grinder - Student who would appreciate all help
 

I'm surprised the OE Pharos hand grinder hasn't been mentioned in here yet.  Depending on how much you grind this is a very good option for low quantity, high quality, low(ish) cost at $250.

Since I received my Pharos over a month ago my Macap grinder has sadly been completely neglected, but I only make 2 lattes every weekday morning and usually 12-16 each weekend.

And I think my biceps are getting bigger! :P
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 1:55pm
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I will say that I really enjoy my Preciso, but if you are looking for something that will never break down it's not for you. However, when it does you will get it fixed and more than likely Baratza will send you out the parts for free. But if you know the adjustment ring broke, it's easier just to order it up for 10 bucks and get it in a few days.

More importantly the Preciso grinder is excellent from press to turkish, and no other grinder can say that. With very little retention under a gram. It's a great product and recommend it whole heartedly. Oh and it fits in your kitchen.

 
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mhuckabee1
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Posted Sat Sep 21, 2013, 6:06am
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I have the same machine as OP (will be upgrading in the future) and am also looking for a grinder. I really want a grinder-for-life but would like to keep it below $300 USD if possible. I've read lots of reviews of the Pharos and people love it. But most of them have done the voodoo mods which bumps the cost up significantly. Is the unmodified Pharos really good enough (for espresso) to make me happy until I can afford the mods?
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mhuckabee1
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Posted Sat Sep 21, 2013, 6:11am
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I have the same machine. That espresso machine only comes with a set of pressurized (double wall) filters. If you want to try using it with un-pressurized single-wall filters you'll need to buy these: http://www.brevilleusa.com/single-wall-filters.html
They are from Breville but they fit perfectly.
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