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Munkee915
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Posted Mon Sep 16, 2013, 8:13am
Subject: Just starting out.  Is this on OK grinder?
 

I got a Bella espresso maker as a gift and would like to start dabbling in espresso.  I'm looking for a grinder on a super small budget.  I'm looking at these 3 but wondering if anyone has had any experiences with them or similar machines being able to grind beans fine enough for espresso.

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The Cuissential has some good reviews but I cant find much on the Mr Coffee or Krups.  Thoughts?

Thanks for the help.
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Posted Mon Sep 16, 2013, 8:40am
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Munkee915 Said:

I got a Bella espresso maker as a gift and would like to start dabbling in espresso.  I'm looking for a grinder on a super small budget.  I'm looking at these 3 but wondering if anyone has had any experiences with them or similar machines being able to grind beans fine enough for espresso.

Posted September 16, 2013 link

considering your machine...which is sometimes referred to as a "steam toy" (no, not an affectionate term, sorry)...

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No, I suspect it operates like the third one you listed

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Posted September 16, 2013 link

probably, since it looks something like a Hario Skerton and it's description says it's a manual ceramic burr grinder (again, considering your machine)

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Posted September 16, 2013 link

definitely No!  This is a blade grinder, aka bean hacker, best reserved for grinding spices.

 
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Posted Mon Sep 16, 2013, 8:43am
Subject: Re: Just starting out.  Is this on OK grinder?
 

No.

No.

No.

Two of the three models you linked to are blade grinders, aka whirly-gigs.  These do not grind at all, but "chop" and the result is large and uneven sized particles, from dust to "boulders." More so than any other type of preparation, espresso depends upon even grind size.  Only a burr grinder can give you that.

The problem is that burr grinders are more expensive than you seem to be currently budgeting for your grinder purchase -- especially if it's electric!  Your best bet would be to look for a Hario Skerton or a Porlex JP-30.

Now . . . please don't misunderstand:  your Bella is what is commonly referred to as a "steam toy."  It's not a true espresso machine, and doesn't make true espresso by any stretch.  But it is a place to start . . . so the bottom line is "Enjoy!"

 
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Posted Mon Sep 16, 2013, 8:44am
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Grat minds think alike!  ;^)

 
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Posted Mon Sep 16, 2013, 9:50am
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Thanks.  I'm not offended.  I really don't expect pro results from a $30 machine (toy).  But it was free and will save me a trip to starbucks or the corner store every morning.  I've been reading up and realized none of the ground stuff i can find is suitable for espresso and fresh ground tastes better so I wanted to give it a shot without making a huge investment up front.  If the experiment turns out well then I may budget more for a future upgrade.  But in the mean time it's gotta be better than 7-11 coffee right?  Thanks for the help.
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Posted Tue Sep 17, 2013, 6:07am
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I would say that you'd get a better coffee from McDonalds than with that setup. Now, You should just get the Hario Mini Mill. It's great but takes some elbow grease ha.

Yeah. i would try to return that bella and possibly get a DeLonghi EC155. You can modify that to get it to give you something decent. This is assuming you're super cheap as i'd never actually recommend it to someone serious.
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Posted Tue Sep 17, 2013, 8:06am
Subject: Re: Just starting out.  Is this on OK grinder?
 

Munkee915 Said:

Thanks.  I'm not offended.  I really don't expect pro results from a $30 machine (toy).  But it was free and will save me a trip to starbucks or the corner store every morning.  I've been reading up and realized none of the ground stuff i can find is suitable for espresso and fresh ground tastes better so I wanted to give it a shot without making a huge investment up front.  If the experiment turns out well then I may budget more for a future upgrade.  But in the mean time it's gotta be better than 7-11 coffee right?  Thanks for the help.

Posted September 16, 2013 link

Brian, welcome to CG.
I'm sure the members here APPRECIATE your attitude, considering the wee bit of "commentary" regarding your proposed setup! LOL
I do. We'll do our best to get you making the best possible espresso for the best possible price.

That said, perhaps, for now, the manual grinder (they are pretty darn good) and an AeroPress could haver you making great COFFEE.
If, however, you're set on a TRUE espresso, you should see if you can find a used Starbucks/Saeco Athena, or better still a used Gaggia. The first can be found for $75-$100 if in good shape, including a del non pressurized PF. A pressurized PF is what is commonly called a "crema enhancer." No good.
The Gaggia with no 3 way relief (which allows instant removal of the pF after a shot) can often be found for under $200. It has a full 58mm PF, not a necessity, but makes it a wee bit easier to find tampers and such.

 
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