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Mrparapluie
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Posted Tue Sep 10, 2013, 6:49pm
Subject: I need your help !! Ascaso iSteel 1 or the Lelit pl53 !?
 

Hi everyone !

Im new but i read a lot on this forum and i decided to create an account to be able to talk with you !

Ok i really need your help. Im on my way to buy my first grinder. I have two choice but i can't find everything on the internet to help me, i need you !

1- ascaso iSteel 1, 54mm flat burr, motor power 250w, stepless and the burr component is in brass...sounds good ! click here

2- Lelit pl53, 38mm conical burrs, motor power 150w, stepless.
click here


Of course this grinder will be only for espresso. I wanna have a great durability and a good grind. If someone can help me with own experience or just to talk about those brand that will help me a lot :)

Thx !
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Posted Wed Sep 11, 2013, 8:12am
Subject: Re: I need your help !! Ascaso iSteel 1 or the Lelit pl53 !?
 

Hi and welcome to the forum,
Is there a reason you are limited to these two? Neither are really ever advised as a starter grinder though some have used them. My personal feeling is that you will not see much difference between them though one is conical and the other is flat.

Since you are already investing this much, save a little longer and plan on buying a better grinder, perhaps a used grinder may show up while you are saving and allow you to move up even further.

The grinder is the heart of an espresso setup so you need to make sure your money is spent wisely.

 
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Mrparapluie
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Posted Wed Sep 11, 2013, 2:37pm
Subject: Re: I need your help !! Ascaso iSteel 1 or the Lelit pl53 !?
 

Thank you for the reply calblacksmith !

To be honest it will be a gift for my birthday and i dont have the budget to buy a mazzer mini or a macap. At this price range (300$) i think it will be a decent grinder. I dont buy a bodum or a kitchen aid grinder ! Its a new passion for me and i dont wanna spend 1200+ for a machine and a good grinder. I will improve in the future of course at the same speed my passion will grow !
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Posted Wed Sep 11, 2013, 9:35pm
Subject: Re: I need your help !! Ascaso iSteel 1 or the Lelit pl53 !?
 

Mrparapluie Said:

. At this price range (300$) i think it will be a decent grinder. I dont buy a bodum or a kitchen aid grinder ! Its a new passion for me and i dont wanna spend 1200+ for a machine and a good grinder. I will improve in the future of course at the same speed my passion will grow !

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In my local craigslist there's a Mazzer Mini listed for $295.

I bought an Ascaso flat burr (i1?) a while ago, and its operation gave the impression of being fitted together with odd parts.  I don't know what else to say but my 2c is that you can get infinitely better made gear from other sources.

If the taste of the coffee features prominently in your decision making, a used Mazzer grinder is a very good choice.  I wouldn't overlook that option too quickly.  The Mazzers are very well made, they have excellent taste characteristics, they have a good adjustment mechanism, and they're available.

With a first rate grinder like a Mazzer Mini or Baratza Vario, you'll be able to make excellent coffee with any espresso machine.  You could fill a squirt gun with hot water and shoot the puck, and it'll still taste delicious -- as long as you use an excellent grinder.  I'm speaking strictly of the taste of the coffee.  This is the internet and people invent all kinds of reasons to spend thousands on an espresso machine.  It makes sense in their head.  You can get every bit of taste that they get, with an excellent grinder and a squirt gun.
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Posted Thu Sep 12, 2013, 4:55am
Subject: Re: I need your help !! Ascaso iSteel 1 or the Lelit pl53 !?
 

If you're after longevity, proven performance, better than Mazzer Mini shots and you're only pulling 3 to 4 shots a day, a few more maybe on weekends, the Lelit PL53 will be fine. Note that none of the preceding posters have ever actually used one, or tested one against other grinders.

The only downside is that if you're just married, and just had a baby, the PL53 is louder than a commercial grinder and likely to wake said infant when you've just got them to sleep and really need a coffee. I know this because one of my customers sold his PL53 and bought a secondhand Rossi RR45. Last year, with child over 2, he sold the Rossi and bought another PL53. He tells me that taste wise the PL53 is just better with his one group Astoria.

Alan
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Mrparapluie
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Posted Thu Sep 12, 2013, 9:36am
Subject: Re: I need your help !! Ascaso iSteel 1 or the Lelit pl53 !?
 

Thank you Alan

No i dont have children so in fact the noise of the grinder is not a problem ;)

I wanna buy a brand new grinder because to be honest i dont trust a used one. I buy some used stuff in the past but they are gone now for x reason..

I found the lelit pl53 have some great review, wich is good to making a choice. I cant find some ascaso review that make me believe its a good grinder. But the internal component seem to be better than the lelit

So hard to make a choice !!
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Posted Thu Sep 12, 2013, 4:08pm
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Mrparapluie Said:

Thank you Alan

So hard to make a choice !!

Posted September 12, 2013 link

Well Alan's just given you the word on the PL53, and I have heard others praising it too.

I would like to hear more on taste comparisons with the Mazzer Mini.
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Posted Thu Sep 12, 2013, 4:59pm
Subject: Re: I need your help !! Ascaso iSteel 1 or the Lelit pl53 !?
 

I dont want to make a war between two grinder. Im sure the mazzer is supperior on lelit and ascaso...
The point is : i just wanna know your preferences between those two grinder..

-i dont have the money for a mazzer
-i dont want to buy a used one
-i just wanna have some pro and cons about the lelitpl53 ans the ascaso isteel 1
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Posted Thu Sep 12, 2013, 6:58pm
Subject: Re: I need your help !! Ascaso iSteel 1 or the Lelit pl53 !?
 

MJW Said:

Well Alan's just given you the word on the PL53, and I have heard others praising it too.

I would like to hear more on taste comparisons with the Mazzer Mini.

Posted September 12, 2013 link

Jim Schulman did the initial tests, using the Nemox Lux (see Click Here (www.home-barista.com) .) The Lux has the same burrset, carriers and motor as the PL53. I didn't believe it myself, so I set up a blind tasting of the PL53 vs. a Mazzer Mini E and a SJ, La Marzocco machine. While not as good as the SJ, the PL53 definitely gave sweeter, more defined shots than the Mini E.

Alan
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Mrparapluie
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic
Grinder: Ascaso iSteel 1 (54 flat...
Posted Thu Sep 12, 2013, 9:45pm
Subject: Re: I need your help !! Ascaso iSteel 1 or the Lelit pl53 !?
 

After a lot of research, and trying to do the pro and cons, i have a new grinder in mind : Rancilio rocky ! (Doserless)

Pro :
-plenty of good reviews
-stepless mod is easy
-built like a tank
-can find remplacement burr easily
-the doserless version can do both espresso/french press easily
-just 50$ over for my budget

Cons :
-some clumping
-the chute is not perfect
-have to do the stepless mod (not a big deal)

What do you think about this people ?!
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