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Posted Sat Aug 3, 2013, 5:59pm
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Laowai Said:

Side note: You can use this to grind pretty much anything, not just coffee.  Pretty decent at making rice powder as well.  

Posted August 2, 2013 link

I have a 1950s meat grinder that could be its big brother.  I would be Real concerned that it uses fast blow fuses as its sole  protection.  Clearly not UL/CSA.  EU CENELEC?  if you need to ask.....
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Posted Sun Aug 4, 2013, 2:11pm
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I've got several of these Taiwan grinders, a Tiamo version of the 600n Flying Horse with upgraded burrs, and a You-Wei Flying Eagle cm-300au. The burrs on the low cost grinders have cast burrs and a few versions have machined Italian burrs. My shop grinder is a Flying Eagle cm-520 with crushing burrs.

I ended up giving the small Flying Eagle grinder away and use the Tiamo in the kitchen for drip. These small grinders are fast, quiet, and DANGEROUS around children. There's no safety interlock to protect small fingers from the spinning bean auger. Taping the bean hopper or cementing it in place might be an option.

Yang-Chia Machine Works LTD is located in Taichung, Taiwan so the Chinese versions may be knock offs.
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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 7:40pm
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If it's not dangerous around children, where's the fun?

Also, this machine has a hilarious history.

There is a Japanese version called Fuji Royal R-220, which was copied by Taiwan.  Then China copied the Taiwan model.
But Japan copied the US model, probably the Hobart copy of the AJ Deer (which had been ripped off by Hobart and Holwick).  Ironically, the Deer model is called... the "Royal".

Aaaaand of course, there is the Kitchenaid proline, which is yet another knock off of the same damn design.  And of course, the design is not in anyway imaginative, it's just taking the old store-mill design and slapping a motor onto it.  The only difference between any of them is the burrs and the adjustments.  Both of which, on a decent machine can be swapped and fiddled with without much effort.  Pre-fiddling, yep, sucks for espresso.. post-fiddling, it's incredibly good
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Posted Sun Nov 3, 2013, 6:36pm
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Laowai Said:

If it's not dangerous around children, where's the fun?

Also, this machine has a hilarious history.

There is a Japanese version called Fuji Royal R-220, which was copied by Taiwan.  Then China copied the Taiwan model.
But Japan copied the US model, probably the Hobart copy of the AJ Deer (which had been ripped off by Hobart and Holwick).  Ironically, the Deer model is called... the "Royal".

Aaaaand of course, there is the Kitchenaid proline, which is yet another knock off of the same damn design.  And of course, the design is not in anyway imaginative, it's just taking the old store-mill design and slapping a motor onto it.  The only difference between any of them is the burrs and the adjustments.  Both of which, on a decent machine can be swapped and fiddled with without much effort.  Pre-fiddling, yep, sucks for espresso.. post-fiddling, it's incredibly good

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So these grinders seem to be made by either Tiamo or the Feima?
And Fuji is the original, is that correct?
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Posted Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:37pm
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OK, first choice is Fuji R-220, then Tiamo, then Feima or You-Wei (both from Taiwan). Big difference is in the burrs, a few might have lower rpm.
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Posted Mon Dec 16, 2013, 8:44pm
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I just spotted this grinder locally and I'm interested in it. Is the modification that Laowai posted the only thing we have to do to make this a viable grinder for espresso? It is being sold for cheap, at around $55, so it should be great value if it actually grinds well enough.
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Posted Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:28pm
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Sure that's a good deal, but I'm not sure how a limited step grinder could be converted. The burrs have two mounting holes, not three like the espresso variety on Italian machines.
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Posted Tue Dec 17, 2013, 7:37pm
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I honestly don't know what you mean by "converting". Is that what Laowai's mod does?
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Posted Wed Dec 18, 2013, 10:52am
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Laowai most likely is referring to "modding". The burrs supplied with this type of grinder are generally not suitable for espresso. The other problem is there are only 12 steps from 1-6 for grind adjustment. I'm guessing "converting or modding" the adjustment dial to stepless would be necessary as the first step.
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Posted Sat Jan 25, 2014, 7:13am
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So I got this grinder. I have no idea if i have the Yang Chia or the Feima, but I'm pulling great shots so I'm happy. This grinder is definitely a steal.

Funny thing is, the dial actually broke itself within a week. I did Laowai's mod, where he says to remove the dial and reposition it so that the auger is extremely close, but not touching the other side. I was initially confused as to what this meant, but I understood it immediately once I tried adjusting the dial. I tried to pull some shots with it and my espresso machine almost choked. After a few shots, I found my ideal grind setting.

A few days later the "spokes" in the dial mechanism broke off while I was asked to grind for drip. I couldn't even dial properly anymore without breaking the other spokes. Eventually, most of the spokes broke, and the grinder has essentially "converted" itself to stepless. It looks hilariously awkward without the fake chrome dial, but it still works perfectly.
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