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MadDawg1076
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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 6:15am
Subject: Re: New ('03 used) Super Jolly seems slow ITS  CHINEESE FAKE BURRS
 

The burrs should be in tomorrow.  However, I am leaving for Cancun Friday at 4:30AM so I doubt I will get much time to enjoy them.  I will follow up once I have had some time to break them in and use them.
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MadDawg1076
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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 7:09pm
Subject: Re: New ('03 used) Super Jolly seems slow
 

Woot, they came in a day early!

Old Burrs, setting 1.25 for 16g shot, new burrs 2.75 for 14g shot!  These baby's go much, much finer.  The new burrs are a little over 1.5g heavier each.  

Old Burrs 15-20 sec for a double; new burrs ranged from 7-11 sec, and the latter was the first shot which was WAY too fine.  Seemed to be less clumping too, but there are several other variables that could effect that with it being a Texas summer and all.

Also I wanted to post and extra shout-out for the CBSJmod, it's awesome!

Thank you all for your help!
Chris

Old burrs on the bottom of attached photo.  Sorry for the poor quality;  I had to use my phone, and couldn't be bothered to clean the coffee off properly.
Do you think they are cheap knock-off burrs, or the original burrs from '99?

MadDawg1076: Burrs.JPG
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Posted Wed Aug 7, 2013, 6:43am
Subject: Re: New ('03 used) Super Jolly seems slow
 

Thanks, I am glad you are enjoying your grinder. You are now back in the range of time that it should be grinding in, congrats! The "0" setting will change though as the combined thickness of the burrs most likely will be different than the old set and yet again, different from the set that came with the grinder so it is not unusual that the number for grinding has changed.

Enjoy, you have a lot of happy years in front of you with that grinder!

OH, just for those who may not know how to search for the CBSJ mod, here you go.
http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machinemods/562237

 
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MadDawg1076
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Posted Wed Aug 7, 2013, 6:54am
Subject: Re: New ('03 used) Super Jolly seems slow
 

calblacksmith Said:

Thanks, I am glad you are enjoying your grinder. You are now back in the range of time that it should be grinding in, congrats! The "0" setting will change though as the combined thickness of the burrs most likely will be different than the old set and yet again, different from the set that came with the grinder so it is not unusual that the number for grinding has changed.

Posted August 7, 2013 link

I took into account the difference in the "0" setting for the numbers I provided.  I was giving it the approximate amount of space from the new "0".  I should have specified that though.  I suspect that the old burrs were letting large particles through and that, in addition to more clumping was requiring a much finer grind to get the same pour speed.
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Posted Wed Aug 7, 2013, 8:36am
Subject: Re: New ('03 used) Super Jolly seems slow
 

Congratulations as well.  SJs are virtually unstoppable as long as the burrs are good.  Glad it worked out.  To be honest, cannot tell if the former burrs were fakes or just really old -- your photo was quite small.  Did your run your finger nail 90 degrees across the middle of the burr?  if you want to send my high res photos by email, glad to look.

The "0" setting reminds me a lot of clients that would call me when I was a hi-fi manufacturer. They would ask: what setting do you use on the preamps/dacs/etc."  I would deflect and say: its what sounds good to you, in your room, your equipment and your music that counts.  I have seen several threads on the Barazta grinders where people have been comparing grind numbers.  IMHO its meaningless to compare.  The numbers on the grind dial are only references.   I have two identical SJs,  they are just 3 digits in the serial numbers different and with the exact same beans, same roast date, the same grind (judging by pull time) will give different numbers on each grinder.    

Hopefully Wayne will agree, its what you taste (or hear) that counts, not the numbers on a dial.....

Again, enjoy your restored grinder.
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Posted Wed Aug 7, 2013, 9:20am
Subject: Re: New ('03 used) Super Jolly seems slow
 

Chis just sent me a larger photo of his burrs.  Thought i would post here for others following the thread  

After looking at the larger photos:

My gut tells me that are just very old burrs and not fakes. The old burrs have lots of nicks in them.  and a heavy wear pattern on the top of the burr.  New fakes most likely would look that beat up.  Unless they were made from old ford Pinto bumpers :)

The shaping of the burr is very similar to all the Mazzer burrs i have seen.   BUT, we need your fingernail to tell.  It the old burr edges are a bit rounded and do not cut into your finger nail, they are old worn out OEM burrs.  If they are sharp but grinding badly, they are fakes.  OEM factory installed burrs do not have any markings.  OEM factory replacement burrs have markings, as do your new burrs from CCS. One thing for sure, your old burrs are NOT OEM factory replacements.  

Good luck!
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