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drewciferpike
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drewciferpike
Joined: 13 Jun 2013
Posts: 7
Location: Sacramento
Expertise: I like coffee

Espresso: R. Silvia v3 - stock
Grinder: B. Preciso
Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 9:38am
Subject: Total Noob happy with Silvia and Preciso
 

It's amazing how the learning process goes when you make little (positive) changes!

Thanks to feedback on this forum, I purchased a R. Silvia as our first "real" espresso machine. Though the C. Infinity grinder I owned was _just_ passable with the Silvia (perfect for press and my wife's old Moka pot, though), I had to play around too much to get shots that didn't blast out and finish in 10 seconds, or totally choke the machine. Even balancing the grinder at a half-step didn't give me the control I wanted or needed.

Fed up, I ordered a refurb B. Preciso, which arrived last night. First thing this morning, starting with the grinder at the recommended settings (8 on macro, middle of the micro), my first shot with regular beans started 6 seconds after the pump started (vs. 4--or never--with the Infinity), had good crema, and tasted great. My wife's decaf beans were ground at the same setting, just to see, and the second shot was just as good.

Mind = Blown

I expected to fiddle a lot more, so I am very pleasantly surprised. I _don't_ expect the magic that I know a lot of folks on here are experiencing with their gear, but after two weeks of owning the Silvia--even with the Infinity grinder--I can honestly say that 90% of the espresso I've made tasted as good as what I'd get at some shops, if not better (total accidents with those shots, though... haha).

Other pros:
- Because I need to clean out between grinds (reg vs. decaf), I like that it is easier to clean than the Infinity. There are a LOT less grounds left in the grinder than the Infinity, too.\
- That pulse button is welcome, indeed.

To be balanced, there's the negatives:
- I played with the portafilter holder, but I don't like it. It allowed too many grounds to float around, so I'm going to just grind and dump, like I did with the Infinity.
- The faceplate seems to attract grounds.

See those negatives? Boo-hoo. So far, there's really not that much to complain about. Out of the box, it helped me make great espresso. 'Nuff said.

If anyone is on the fence about a refurbed Preciso, just go for it. For the price, it's got a lot of bang for your buck. Sure, if you can snatch up a used professional grinder, I bet you'll do even better, but this was a great on-line purchase that has already improved my espresso.

 
-Drew
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emradguy
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emradguy
Joined: 31 Mar 2011
Posts: 3,028
Location: Houston
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Duetto II; Twist v2
Grinder: M Major, Macap M4 x2, VDD...
Drip: Espro presses; Aeropress
Roaster: H-B "List of Favorites"
Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 9:28pm
Subject: Re: Total Noob happy with Silvia and Preciso
 

awesome story...thanks for sharing!

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pmaru77
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Joined: 21 Nov 2008
Posts: 60
Location: San Diego
Expertise: I love coffee

Grinder: Maestro Plus
Vac Pot: Yama
Drip: KRUPS 4 cup (Melitta #2)
Roaster: Behmor Roaster
Posted Mon Jul 29, 2013, 2:29pm
Subject: Re: Total Noob happy with Silvia and Preciso
 

I have the same setup as you. V3 and Preciso refurb.  The jury is still out though.  When I load the portafilter, I have to hold the machine from sliding....or back it into the back splash on the counter.  Also when adjusting the main adjust ring, the mini ring moves with it.  I can live with these quirks though.  Right now I have some mixed beans and have to try to find the right grind position.  I'm on 3 and am getting 20 sec shot.  I blame this on the beans, as the BirdRock Espresso beans were giving me a 7 grind....for 25 seconds.  Wish I had a PID. But not willing to invest any more until I know I will be happy.  I'm making the shot first, and then the milk. for lattes.  Lower risk of too hot for shot.  It's been interesting for sure.

I'm also wondering if my electric bill will be noticably higher.  Will it?   If not, I think I'm going to look into a DB.
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CMIN
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Joined: 14 Jun 2012
Posts: 1,362
Location: South FL
Expertise: I like coffee

Espresso: Crossland CC1
Grinder: Baratza Preciso
Posted Mon Jul 29, 2013, 2:49pm
Subject: Re: Total Noob happy with Silvia and Preciso
 

pmaru77 Said:

I have the same setup as you. V3 and Preciso refurb.  The jury is still out though.  When I load the portafilter, I have to hold the machine from sliding....or back it into the back splash on the counter.  Also when adjusting the main adjust ring, the mini ring moves with it.  I can live with these quirks though.  Right now I have some mixed beans and have to try to find the right grind position.  I'm on 3 and am getting 20 sec shot.  I blame this on the beans, as the BirdRock Espresso beans were giving me a 7 grind....for 25 seconds.  Wish I had a PID. But not willing to invest any more until I know I will be happy.  I'm making the shot first, and then the milk. for lattes.  Lower risk of too hot for shot.  It's been interesting for sure.

I'm also wondering if my electric bill will be noticably higher.  Will it?   If not, I think I'm going to look into a DB.

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Your micro adjustment should not be moving with the Macro, either something is too tight with the adjustment ring or it's catching somewhere. 3 is also way to low unless something is wrong with the beans, or could be what its calibrated too once broken in. I replaced my adjustment ring after it started going lower and lower, then saw it was calibrated to neutral. New ring in and put the screw to fine, and been perfect since. Always between 7-10 Macro depending on roast type and dose.

Far as the machine, holding it while putting in the PF isn't too unusual, it's not that heavy... when you get to the 50/60/70+ lb machines they don't budge with the PF. I never saw any difference really in my electric bill.
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pmaru77
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Joined: 21 Nov 2008
Posts: 60
Location: San Diego
Expertise: I love coffee

Grinder: Maestro Plus
Vac Pot: Yama
Drip: KRUPS 4 cup (Melitta #2)
Roaster: Behmor Roaster
Posted Mon Jul 29, 2013, 4:55pm
Subject: Re: Total Noob happy with Silvia and Preciso
 

CMIN Said:

Your micro adjustment should not be moving with the Macro, either something is too tight with the adjustment ring or it's catching somewhere. 3 is also way to low unless something is wrong with the beans, or could be what its calibrated too once broken in. I replaced my adjustment ring after it started going lower and lower, then saw it was calibrated to neutral. New ring in and put the screw to fine, and been perfect since. Always between 7-10 Macro depending on roast type and dose.

Far as the machine, holding it while putting in the PF isn't too unusual, it's not that heavy... when you get to the 50/60/70+ lb machines they don't budge with the PF. I never saw any difference really in my electric bill.

Posted July 29, 2013 link


Thanks for the input.  My roaster is down for cleaning right now.  So have to make run for beans tonight.  I'll take note of the next proceedings, and have some concrete info for Baratza if in fact things are out of whack.
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emradguy
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emradguy
Joined: 31 Mar 2011
Posts: 3,028
Location: Houston
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Duetto II; Twist v2
Grinder: M Major, Macap M4 x2, VDD...
Drip: Espro presses; Aeropress
Roaster: H-B "List of Favorites"
Posted Mon Jul 29, 2013, 7:10pm
Subject: Re: Total Noob happy with Silvia and Preciso
 

While it's not unheard of to have to hold the machine with one hand while you engage the pf, you probably still ought to make sure you're not overdosing the basket.

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Burner0000
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Joined: 28 Jul 2011
Posts: 1,070
Location: Cambridge, Ontario Canada
Expertise: Professional

Espresso: Rancilio Silvia, VFA Expres...
Grinder: Macap MX/VFA N1464/Kyocera...
Drip: Manual Drip, French Press
Roaster: Behmor 1600 / Sonofresco
Posted Tue Jul 30, 2013, 5:37am
Subject: Re: Total Noob happy with Silvia and Preciso
 

drewciferpike Said:

It's amazing how the learning process goes when you make little (positive) changes!

Thanks to feedback on this forum, I purchased a R. Silvia as our first "real" espresso machine. Though the C. Infinity grinder I owned was _just_ passable with the Silvia (perfect for press and my wife's old Moka pot, though), I had to play around too much to get shots that didn't blast out and finish in 10 seconds, or totally choke the machine. Even balancing the grinder at a half-step didn't give me the control I wanted or needed.

Fed up, I ordered a refurb B. Preciso, which arrived last night. First thing this morning, starting with the grinder at the recommended settings (8 on macro, middle of the micro), my first shot with regular beans started 6 seconds after the pump started (vs. 4--or never--with the Infinity), had good crema, and tasted great. My wife's decaf beans were ground at the same setting, just to see, and the second shot was just as good.

Mind = Blown

I expected to fiddle a lot more, so I am very pleasantly surprised. I _don't_ expect the magic that I know a lot of folks on here are experiencing with their gear, but after two weeks of owning the Silvia--even with the Infinity grinder--I can honestly say that 90% of the espresso I've made tasted as good as what I'd get at some shops, if not better (total accidents with those shots, though... haha).

Other pros:
- Because I need to clean out between grinds (reg vs. decaf), I like that it is easier to clean than the Infinity. There are a LOT less grounds left in the grinder than the Infinity, too.\
- That pulse button is welcome, indeed.

To be balanced, there's the negatives:
- I played with the portafilter holder, but I don't like it. It allowed too many grounds to float around, so I'm going to just grind and dump, like I did with the Infinity.
- The faceplate seems to attract grounds.

See those negatives? Boo-hoo. So far, there's really not that much to complain about. Out of the box, it helped me make great espresso. 'Nuff said.

If anyone is on the fence about a refurbed Preciso, just go for it. For the price, it's got a lot of bang for your buck. Sure, if you can snatch up a used professional grinder, I bet you'll do even better, but this was a great on-line purchase that has already improved my espresso.

Posted July 26, 2013 link

Glad to hear your happy with your setup! :)  I am also a happy owner of the Silvia.  I don't mind the "quirks".  I don't even care.  
Cleaning though with a Pallo wand only takes maybe 5 seconds for me.  I use the Macap so I don't really have grounds issues.  One of these makes for a faster dose chamber cleaning though.
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