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GlowingGhoul
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Posted Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:19am
Subject: Compak K-8 Fresh or K-10 Fresh for "chocolate notes"
 

I do not like "brightness". I prefer deep, heavy, rounded sweet flavors.

So, I was about to pull the trigger on a K-10 Fresh but I'm really wondering if the 83mm flat burrs of the K-8 will do a better job for me than the K-10.

What's confusing me is that I've read flat burrs will give me more pronounced chocolate notes than a conical,  however I've also read that the K-8 Fresh produces the same results in the cup as the K-10, but requires more careful dialing in.

If the flavor profile is the same, the more expensive K10 would probably be a better option since it's quieter, lower RPM, and much longer lasting burrs.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
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Posted Tue Jun 25, 2013, 7:30pm
Subject: Re: Compak K-8 Fresh or K-10 Fresh for "chocolate notes"
 

I don't know whether you're going to get a more definitive answer than what you've already read. I for one would love to have the ability to purchase a titan class conical burr grinder. I enjoy the good chocolates myself but I don't think I would find them lacking. I have ran into an opinion or two where a person liked there flat burrs better, possibly the same threads you have seen.
Have you searched HB for more info? there are a number of grinder and burr comparisons there that might help. In the end it's all what tastes good to you, and unfortunately you won't really know until you try.
Possibly you could visit a few shops and taste some espressos from different grinders to help your decision. There are more expensive flat burr grinders you could look at if it makes you feel better ;-)
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Posted Wed Jun 26, 2013, 8:06pm
Subject: Re: Compak K-8 Fresh or K-10 Fresh for "chocolate notes"
 

i've never had more 'chocolate notes' from using a flat burr over a conical grinder, although i hear the flat helps (like you read).

I would think it'd be more important using the 'right beans' and the 'right dose' before jumping to the grinder (unless you don't have a good grinder now). my local shop has multiple mazzer majors set up with different beans. I've had their chocolate bomb espresso blend and the super fruity single origin from africa and its a flat burr grinder.

sorry if i was telling you stuff that you already knew.
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Posted Wed Jun 26, 2013, 9:23pm
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I would not think twice about getting the titan conical over flat burr. Get your chocolate in the bean selection; that's easy.
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Posted Thu Jun 27, 2013, 8:48am
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Frost Said:

I would not think twice about getting the titan conical over flat burr. Get your chocolate in the bean selection; that's easy.

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I appreciate all the responses from my more experienced coffee brethren.

OK, if the flavor profile imparted by flat vs conical is minimal (if it's there at all), why get the more expensive K10 conical? What difference will it make in the cup?
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Posted Thu Jun 27, 2013, 8:50am
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brianl Said:

i've never had more 'chocolate notes' from using a flat burr over a conical grinder, although i hear the flat helps (like you read).

I would think it'd be more important using the 'right beans' and the 'right dose' before jumping to the grinder (unless you don't have a good grinder now). my local shop has multiple mazzer majors set up with different beans. I've had their chocolate bomb espresso blend and the super fruity single origin from africa and its a flat burr grinder.

sorry if i was telling you stuff that you already knew.

Posted June 26, 2013 link

I don't have a grinder at all, at the moment. I'm looking at a major upgrade from a Jura superauto.
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Posted Thu Jun 27, 2013, 9:23am
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The conical will save you coffee and early morning frustration in getting and keeping dialed in. This alone would be pay off in the first months of use; less fiddling with the grind dial and more perfect pours.
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Posted Thu Jun 27, 2013, 2:10pm
Subject: Re: Compak K-8 Fresh or K-10 Fresh for "chocolate notes"
 

Interesting. I find that I am not fudging around with the adjustment all that much. Flat burrs too. Then the AZ is a more expensive grinder. I have Majors too, they don't take a lot of fudging with either. Perhaps I am just lucky.

Or is it that with better grinders, regardless of flat or conical burrs, they are a little less  touchy anyway. ? YMMV!

 
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Posted Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:20pm
Subject: Re: Compak K-8 Fresh or K-10 Fresh for "chocolate notes"
 

My Two cents.....Ive had Super Jolly's (E model and doser models), Majors (E and Doser), and a Robur E.  I will NEVER have a flat burr grinder ever again.  I have my Robur dialed in and home roast a number of different beans and try different beans / blends every week.  I very, very rarely adjust the grind.  

When I had both of my Major's, I would have to adjust it almost daily and typically waste at least a shot or two worth of coffee every morning.  The same went for my Super Jolly's.  I haven't wasted a shot of coffee with my Robur in as long as I can remember.  The sweet spot on that grinder is a mile wide.

In regards to determining brightness or chocolate taste notes in the same coffee.. I've never felt a grinder determined that outside of causing the shot to be bitter or not.  The bean or the blend? Absolutely. The Robur with the conicals bring out the notes in coffees that I was never able to produce even with a La Marzocco GB5 machine and a Mazzer Major flat burr grinder.  But, with my Robur-- even my wife (not a coffee nut) can taste subtle notes of different coffees with a PID'd Silvia machine.  I can mostly taste the difference on the La Marzocco and the Silvia, but just barely.  

I know you've heard it many times before, but having the best grinder almost really does make the choice of machine less and less important.  I fully attribute it to the slower moving conical burrs, but what do I know.

If you were to ask me. I'd say find a bean or number of beans you feel has the chocolate notes you are looking for and spend as much as you can possibly afford on a titan conical grinder- Kony, K10, Robur and I'd bet you'' look back and never regret your decision.  The coffee is where the flavors start, the better the grinder means it screws up the flavor of the bean less than other grinders IMO
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