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Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 6:40pm
Subject: Baratza Virtuoso or Preciso DO's and DON'TS - help!
 

Tomorrow, I will be receiving my replacement Preciso and wanted helpful do's and don'ts or general tips to for daily use.  

For example, should I keep the grinder on when changing grind settings - with coffee or without make a difference? Will it hurt the grinder to switch grind settings without it being on? Adjusting from fine to coarse to maintain consistency or is it the reverse? Tips for not breaking the adjustment ring. Advice on how to keep it clean.

Basically, anything you wish someone said to you when you first got your grinder and helpful things you have learned from time and use of Baratza's products.

Any help and posts would be appreciated! Thanks!
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Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 6:57pm
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I use to adjust w/o the motor on (and w/o beans in the hopper as I single dose) but I feel that was the cause for constantly playing with the micro. After putting a new ring in I adjust macro and micro now with the motor on w/ no beans in the hopper (i.e. if I pull a shot that's too tight or fast, I'll press the front button and adjust the micro for the next dose). I'm getting better results/consistency now, no clue what the difference is there whether the motor is on or off but others have said the same thing as well as Baratza (again w/ no beans in the hopper). Either way if you have beans in the hopper you must keep it on when adjusting or you can risk beans and parts of left over ground beans falling down further and getting jammed and breaking something.

Really with the adjustment ring its more of a worry if you take the grinder apart, whether to clean or calibrate, if you forget to take the micro knob off on the Preciso and pull the body apart you risk busting the ring.
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Posted Wed Jun 19, 2013, 5:25am
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso or Preciso DO's and DON'TS - help!
 

great, thanks!

Tip 1: Adjust grind without beans while the grinder is on.

Why would taking the cover off the preciso break the adjustment ring??? Or better yet, why would adjusting the calibration screw effect the adjustment ring?

Thanks for the reply!

Anyone else have advice?
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Posted Wed Jun 19, 2013, 6:06am
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso or Preciso DO's and DON'TS - help!
 

On the Preciso you have macro adjustment (same for the Virtuoso) made by turning the hopper, but on the Preciso the micro adjustment is a slotted lever below the hopper. It has a knob on it that you hold to slide which is attached to the ring/carrier inside, if you forget to pop that knob off before removing the case, it can crack the ring since the knob will be caught in the body of the case. Calibration screw doesn't mess any of that up, that just adjust it for coarse/medium/fine.

But yeh, beans, no beans... adjust with motor on
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Posted Wed Jun 19, 2013, 6:16am
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso or Preciso DO's and DON'TS - help!
 

Gotcha... I thought i was missing something besides the obvious! Sometimes the morning can be a rough time... Thanks for your input and feedback!
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Posted Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:54pm
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso or Preciso DO's and DON'TS - help!
 

IMO (and others) run the motor when adjusting the grind FINER, whether there are beans in the grinder or not.
If you're adjusting coarser, this is usually not necessary. Still, as was said, for consistent results, run the grinder either when adjusting in either direction assures that all lock in perfectly. Beans have a sneaky way of finding lodging in and around burrs. This way they get chewed up.
This and the Vario waste so little coffee in normal use, so a couple of seconds running will at most waste 2 grams to adjust.

 
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Posted Thu Jun 20, 2013, 9:04am
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso or Preciso DO's and DON'TS - help!
 

I think running the grinder when adjusting the macro setting coarser is a good idea near the fine end, or when making a big change, as the outer burr will turn against the inner one, and the steps in the burrs are bigger than the rate that they move apart - you could be forcing the burrs apart if there are beans stuck in there.  At the coarser end, it's less of an issue, and the micro adjuster isn't affected by this (it doesn't turn the burr carrier).

Safer to just run the grinder for the few seconds it takes to twist the hopper...
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Posted Thu Jun 20, 2013, 9:10am
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso or Preciso DO's and DON'TS - help!
 

Thanks for the replies!

Seems like I was wise to make this topic, otherwise, I would have adjusted the Macro without running the motor!

Do we agree to grind beans while adjusting the macro or it's the same to adjust the grind without any beans?
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Posted Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:40am
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso or Preciso DO's and DON'TS - help!
 

Just keep it running when adjusting if your hopper is full. I single dose, so lets say I grind like 16g and the shots too fine, I'll press the front power button and adjust the micro and grind another dose (and vice versa if shots too fast). I used to adjust with the grinder off and no beans (single dosing) and I think that's why I had to adjust so much. For whatever reason the grinder works way better now when adjusting while it's running.
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Posted Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:48am
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso or Preciso DO's and DON'TS - help!
 

No, I understand that I need to run the grinder to adjust. But, does it matter if I have beans in the hopper or not?

if I weigh out my whole beans every time (single dose) then grind should I add 2 grams more for adjustment or could I adjust without beans and then add my weight amount of coffee to the hopper at the correct grind setting?

sorry, I know i am making this more confusing for everyone and myself.
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