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cybermaniac
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Posted Wed Jun 5, 2013, 4:14pm
Subject: Looking for a new grinder
 

Hey guys n gals,

Need a bit of assistance.

I'm upgrading from a Gaggia Classic PID to a Rocket R58 in the next few months, and I thought whilst I was at it, I'd upgrade my Rancillio Rocky Doserless.

I do two types of grind:

  1. Espresso (weekends, but need exceptional grind)
  2. Aeropress (filter) (during the week, but aeropress seems to be quite flexible on grind quality)

I've got around £350 to spend.

I've been reading a lot about the Vario, and heard lots of good things (including almost zero grind retention), but I've also heard some concerns around longevity due to a lot of plastic parts, the grinds not being overly fantastic at the finer range, and not as large range on the filter coffee side of things.

What I'm looking for is some suggestions for new (doserless) grinders

The Vario certainly ticks most of my boxes, bar the cons I've heard about it.

Love to get a Mazzer Mini E, but can't really afford that atm (thank you Rocky -.-).

Any help would be awesome.

Thanks!
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CoffeeRon
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Espresso: Wega Lyra, Europiccola(still...
Grinder: Macap M7D, Pharos, Vario W,...
Vac Pot: Sunbeam CoffeeMaster
Drip: Melita BCM-4
Roaster: FR SR500,B-1600, SC/TO
Posted Wed Jun 5, 2013, 5:42pm
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I can't speak personally for the Vario but I can speak for Baratza in general, and what I've read so much of on the Vario. As far as lifespan, it probably won't be in your will for your grandchildren (like many Mazzers, etc.), but they have proven to hold up well for a number of years now.
  They have two different burr sets available- ceramic and metal. The ceramic are more suited for espresso grinds, and are on par with the Mazzers, but have a bit more in the way of fines for drip or french press. The metal burrs are recommended for drip and french press, but not so much for espresso. Many on here seem to be quite happy with the ceramic burrs for drip- but I do see complaints when it comes to french press.
  I read somewhere here that the Varios sold in Europe at this time come with the metal burrs, so you may want to check on that if you pursue it further.
       hope this helps,
                        Ron
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Prof
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Espresso: PV Lusso
Grinder: Pharos 696
Drip: Aeropress
Roaster: Behmor 1600+
Posted Wed Jun 5, 2013, 7:57pm
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If you don't do a lot of shots each day, you should consider the Pharos hand-grinder.  It will give you the best grinds you've ever done.

You would have to spend over 3 times the price for comparable quality burrs.  

And, you'll have stronger arms in no time!  :)

 
LMWDP # 010
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NobbyR
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Espresso: Poccino Opus One, Ariete
Grinder: Eureka Mignon Istantaneo
Vac Pot: N/A
Drip: Melitta Linea Unica de Luxe
Roaster: N/A
Posted Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:13am
Subject: Re: Looking for a new grinder
 

As long as you have to switch between different grinds regularily, I'd opt for the Baratza (Mahlkönig) Vario, too, because it makes it easy to refind specific settings. Besides, it will be a noticable upgrade from your Rocky.

CoffeeRon Said:

  I read somewhere here that the Varios sold in Europe at this time come with the metal burrs

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I don't know who brought up that myth, but it's definitely not true. It comes with ceramic burrs.

 
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EndTwo
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Espresso: Apscaso uno steel prof
Grinder: Mazzer Major DR + Mahlkönig...
Drip: french press, ceramic v60...
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Posted Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:45am
Subject: Re: Looking for a new grinder
 

I don't know the rocky, but if it has worked for aeropress, I would keep it for that and get a dedicated espressogrinder. I'd probably still go for a vario on that account. It's just said to beat anything in its pricerange. Otherwise eureka mignon is supposed to be good and cheap, but I have no experience with it.

Oh and I second nobby on the burrs, mine are ceramic to.
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cybermaniac
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Posted Thu Jun 6, 2013, 1:11am
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Well.....it certainly seems that the Vario works for many, regardless of it's shortfalls!
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NobbyR
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Posted Thu Jun 6, 2013, 2:04am
Subject: Re: Looking for a new grinder
 

EndTwo Said:

Otherwise eureka mignon is supposed to be good and cheap, but I have no experience with it.

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The Eureka Mignon Istantaneo is a great compact, sturdy, steppless grinder, but it's almost impossible to quickly change between different settings like for espresso and French press, for example.

 
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EndTwo
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Espresso: Apscaso uno steel prof
Grinder: Mazzer Major DR + Mahlkönig...
Drip: french press, ceramic v60...
Roaster: skillet
Posted Thu Jun 6, 2013, 1:34pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a new grinder
 

NobbyR Said:

The Eureka Mignon Istantaneo is a great compact, sturdy, steppless grinder, but it's almost impossible to quickly change between different settings like for espresso and French press, for example.

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Yeah, I figured as much, that's why I thought he should keep the Rocky, if its capable of the aeropress... :) Personly I dont like switching back and forth on the vario either, its just annoying.
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Whitcoatsyndrom
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Espresso: Expobar Office Pulser
Grinder: Baratza Vario
Drip: Newco-OCS 12
Roaster: HG/BM
Posted Thu Jun 6, 2013, 2:17pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a new grinder
 

Aside from the fact that you have the room in your budget, I'm curious why no one has mentioned the baratza preciso. Any reasons for that? Usually it's had to rec the Vario without even mentioning the Preciso.
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tglodjo
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Location: Jackson, TN
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II
Grinder: Baratza Vario, Virtuoso
Drip: Wave, V60, Chemex, Clever
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Thu Jun 6, 2013, 2:35pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a new grinder
 

Whitcoatsyndrom Said:

Aside from the fact that you have the room in your budget, I'm curious why no one has mentioned the baratza preciso. Any reasons for that? Usually it's had to rec the Vario without even mentioning the Preciso.

Posted June 6, 2013 link

The Vario's flat ceramic burrs are much more suited for espresso. While the Preciso is decent for espresso because of it's almost-stepless adjustment, the Vario is really Baratza's espresso grinder - especially if the budget allows for it.
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