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Posted Wed May 22, 2013, 12:38pm
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From their (Tonx's) site: "While we thrive on word of mouth, we ask that you refrain from broadcasting the details of this deal as we hope to continue this arrangement as long as possible." Sorry! I do like the refurb idea as well.
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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 12:37pm
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I got a brand new Preciso, still in sealed box, from eBay. It wasn't on auction, it was $299 or best offer. Got it for $250 and shipping was free. Had it in 3 days. The micro adjust gives you 11 inbetween steps for each of the 40 Macro steps. I think there is still a similar offer.
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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 1:37pm
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Giving you a heads up, if you can swing it, Baratza has a Vario refurb listed on their site for $360
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Posted Mon May 27, 2013, 1:02pm
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Tonx deal on a vario is worth subscribing a couple months. All I'll say.

Where I got mine. Subscription was a gift so I really saved ha
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Posted Mon May 27, 2013, 3:04pm
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brianl Said:

Tonx deal on a vario is worth subscribing a couple months. All I'll say.

Where I got mine. Subscription was a gift so I really saved ha

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Does the discount kick in after X amount of days or is it instant?
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Posted Mon May 27, 2013, 4:16pm
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You get access right away.
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Posted Mon May 27, 2013, 8:09pm
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso model 586 - Thoughts?
 

I'm one of those who would say that you would be alright with the Virtuoso compared to Preciso for espresso. They have the same burrs last time I checked...and that's the most important part. I've used both grinders and I could do espresso fine on my Virtuoso. If you aren't weighing your doses then the micro adjustments are not terribly useful because it will all be thrown out by a slight change in dose. If you are measuring then you can modify your dose to match your macro setting, not complicated. Don't get me wrong, the micro adjustment is handy but you can get yourself well set up for espresso with the Virtuoso, I managed well with it on a Rancilio Silvia (non-pressurized portafilter of course).
 That being said...on both the Virtuoso I had and the Preciso, I had to open up the machine, take it apart and install shims (metal washers provided by Baratza) under the burrs in order to get both of these grinders to get fine enough for espresso. That was really annoying and I hope Baratza has settled that issue now (some people have had this problem in the past and others not, seems factory calibration was variable).
  And now I have a Vario! I like it much better and if you can get one of these re-furbished I would be surprised if you would regret it. It will grind as fine as you need and the espresso tastes better, worth the extra money.
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Posted Mon May 27, 2013, 8:59pm
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I only said with a couple months because it'd be a douche move in my opinion to cancel right after ordering.
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Posted Mon May 27, 2013, 9:11pm
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MJJ Said:

I'm one of those who would say that you would be alright with the Virtuoso compared to Preciso for espresso. They have the same burrs last time I checked...and that's the most important part. I've used both grinders and I could do espresso fine on my Virtuoso. If you aren't weighing your doses then the micro adjustments are not terribly useful because it will all be thrown out by a slight change in dose. If you are measuring then you can modify your dose to match your macro setting, not complicated. Don't get me wrong, the micro adjustment is handy but you can get yourself well set up for espresso with the Virtuoso, I managed well with it on a Rancilio Silvia (non-pressurized portafilter of course).
 That being said...on both the Virtuoso I had and the Preciso, I had to open up the machine, take it apart and install shims (metal washers provided by Baratza) under the burrs in order to get both of these grinders to get fine enough for espresso. That was really annoying and I hope Baratza has settled that issue now (some people have had this problem in the past and others not, seems factory calibration was variable).
  And now I have a Vario! I like it much better and if you can get one of these re-furbished I would be surprised if you would regret it. It will grind as fine as you need and the espresso tastes better, worth the extra money.

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Don't think I've ever heard of a shimmed Preciso unless something was out of wack on an early production unit? Mines calibrated to fine and grinds for espresso on Macro 10, or about 8-10 depending on dose and bean type). But the Micro is priceless, i.e. the blend I'm using right now will pull too tight at 10 and too fast at 9 at 16 gram dose, adjust the Micro and it's perfect. Sure I could have played with measuring the dose a bunch of times, but then I would have wasted time and a lot of beans. Same for the Virtuoso, my buddy for example got the Vario after buying a Virtuoso b/c pulling consistent espresso shots was too hard with the steps, 1 day would be just ok, next day or two etc gushing faster and faster as the beans age. Micro just move it a little or few notches and your done as the beans age on the same Macro setting.
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Posted Tue May 28, 2013, 5:07am
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brianl Said:

I only said with a couple months because it'd be a douche move in my opinion to cancel right after ordering.

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Of course, I should have said my previous quote another way. If I do Tonx, I will keep the subscription for a little bit. I mean, why not, if they helped me out!

I just didn't know if there was a minimum subscription. Honestly, living without a grinder sucks and I didn't know if I had to wait X amount of months to finally see the discounts only to prolong being without a grinder.
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