brianl Senior Member Joined: 1 Dec 2012 Posts: 441 Location: Chicago IL Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Gaggia Classic (w/PID) Grinder: Baratza Vario Drip: chemex
Posted Tue May 28, 2013, 10:08am Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso model 586 - Thoughts?
Of course, I should have said my previous quote another way. If I do Tonx, I will keep the subscription for a little bit. I mean, why not, if they helped me out!
I just didn't know if there was a minimum subscription. Honestly, living without a grinder sucks and I didn't know if I had to wait X amount of months to finally see the discounts only to prolong being without a grinder.
MJJ Senior Member Joined: 2 Jan 2013 Posts: 37 Location: Montreal Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Rancilio Silvia PID Grinder: Baratza Vario Drip: Hario V60
Posted Tue May 28, 2013, 12:00pm Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso model 586 - Thoughts?
Don't think I've ever heard of a shimmed Preciso unless something was out of wack on an early production unit? Mines calibrated to fine and grinds for espresso on Macro 10, or about 8-10 depending on dose and bean type). But the Micro is priceless, i.e. the blend I'm using right now will pull too tight at 10 and too fast at 9 at 16 gram dose, adjust the Micro and it's perfect. Sure I could have played with measuring the dose a bunch of times, but then I would have wasted time and a lot of beans. Same for the Virtuoso, my buddy for example got the Vario after buying a Virtuoso b/c pulling consistent espresso shots was too hard with the steps, 1 day would be just ok, next day or two etc gushing faster and faster as the beans age. Micro just move it a little or few notches and your done as the beans age on the same Macro setting.
It was a 2012 Preciso that needed to be shimmed. I was kind of embarrassed because I recommended to my brother that he buy one so he did. Then it was not capable of grinding fine enough for his Breville Roma with non-pressurized portafilter, even when turned all the way down to macro zero. So I had to open it up and install shims, which I knew how to do since I also needed to do it for my Virtuoso (which had Preciso burrs). Baratza states on their website how thick the shims needed to be under the burr and this Preciso wasn't up to spec so I added shims (and even one extra little one for more headroom). When all was said and done it was much improved but still needed to be at macro 1 or 2 for espresso...nowhere near the reports of macro 8-10 I had read about from other users. Anyway I don't want to say bad things about Baratza because I like the company and I'm very happy with my Vario, I think it was likely a small production error that maybe affected a small batch, I don't know. They helped me with all problems I had, service was excellent (wish I had no problems from the start though). By the way I didn't have problems dosing etc. with my Virtuoso, I weighed my shots and was able to be happy with the consistency. If I had to choose between a Virtuoso and Preciso I would take the Preciso for the fine tuning capabilities but I got by quite fine with the Virtuoso (after it was shimmed and upgraded with Preciso burrs).
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