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Posted Thu May 2, 2013, 12:30pm
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Thanks Craig.  "Bottoming out the numbers" sounds exactly right.  The perfect pull with fresh espresso beans (less than two weeks from roast date) used to be a 5 or 6 in my recalibrated grinder; then 4 and more recently between 2 and 0.  Now a zero is not fine enough.  I'm probably guilty of running the burrs on zero to make sure there were no bean particles remaining in the grinder (I grind to measure, each time, storing in a separate airtight container).

I recallibrated to the finer end when I bought the unit 4.5 yrs ago and checked it again this week to see if it needed changing, again.  My screw is in the window on the far right, though at the left edge, not right, as in your picture.  Nothing more to be done in calibrating, is there?

Last question - thanks all, for the input and advice - is do I replace the burrs for what looks to be $30 at espressotec (currently out of stock) OR go in for a new Prescio ($319 at a local retailer)?

Thanks again!
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Posted Fri May 3, 2013, 6:46am
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I have this grinder and I have replaced the top burr and the plastic holder, the hardest part was putting back together, it can go in many ways, but, there is only one correct way, if you mess up, the hopper will be hard to install and break the burr holder. I readjusted mine and I'm very happy. I just started having some grind issues with it while searching for the sweet spot for espresso. I cleaned it all out and checked it again. I'm back to perfect grind and time on my espresso's now. I also all but have gotten rid of the clumping issues too. The grinder is working very well right now.
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Posted Fri May 3, 2013, 12:32pm
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My last question might be moot, folks.  According to espresotec, they no longer sell pre-2012 Virtuoso (called V1 or version 1) burr sets.  Through the help of Pierce at Baratza - fantastic support - I discovered a broken flange on my upper burr holder.  Normally a $30 solution in a new burr set, but now may be S.O.L. (other than ordering the gearbox kit and new Prescio/Virtuoso burrs and upgrading the guts; feel almost better off getting a new Prescio).  Unless someone has the old burr set for sale somewhere?

Thanks for the guidance, everyone.  Much appreciated.
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Posted Fri May 3, 2013, 12:38pm
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That's great Sean.
I tried contacting you on your Hotmail email address (MSN Outlook) & added you as a contact on your Gmail address (Google Talk/Chat), but you didn't/haven't responded as of yet..

Guess it dosen't matter now anyhoo.

 
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Posted Fri May 3, 2013, 1:39pm
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Thanks Craig.  Noticed your GTalk add and accepted about 10 mins ago.  I have final questions out to Pierce, as well as the espressotec service dep't.  

Baring any new learning, the path forward looks clear enough: hope for a V1 burr set (easiest and most economical), consider swapping in the new Baratza burrs or pony up for a new Prescio.

Thanks again.  The coffee community is truly a great one!
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Posted Fri May 3, 2013, 3:05pm
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SuburbanLatte Said:

Thanks Craig.  Noticed your GTalk add and accepted about 10 mins ago.  I have final questions out to Pierce, as well as the espressotec service dep't.

Posted May 3, 2013 link

You're welcome Sean.
I can help you out through any chat IM, email., by phone also.

Baring any new learning, the path forward looks clear enough: hope for a V1 burr set (easiest and most economical), consider swapping in the new Baratza burrs or pony up for a new Prescio.

No, don't go the new Preciso route., although that's generally the minimum accepted Baratza grinder here for espresso.

I have some V1 brand new burr sets that were swapped out for the new Lictenstein (Preciso) burr sets when they came out some time ago for the Virtuoso/Preciso burr set Canadian upgrade at the time.
I can help you out with that new burr set.

Thanks again.  The coffee community is truly a great one!

Anytime! What I'm here for & why I'm still here almost 11 years later. {;-)

 
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Posted Fri May 3, 2013, 3:43pm
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That made my day, Craig, thanks again!  Should we take this offline and I email you about the burrs?  Also curious to hear your recommendation for my next grinder (was planning on Prescio or Vario).
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Posted Fri May 3, 2013, 4:16pm
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SuburbanLatte Said:

That made my day, Craig, thanks again!

Posted May 3, 2013 link

No sweat, I know that feeling & just happy I could help ya out man.

Should we take this offline and I email you about the burrs?  Also curious to hear your recommendation for my next grinder (was planning on Prescio or Vario).

That'd be the best course of action, but I won't be around/available till Sun May 5th.

 
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Posted Mon May 6, 2013, 12:55pm
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Sorry for the drama, all, and thanks for all the support, especially Craig.  

After hearing more from Pierce at Baratza, the recommendation is to not change the burrs, but instead change the upper burr ring holder, get a new (black) adjustment ring and consider the gearbox upgrade.  Total for parts at espressotec is $25.  As changing the gearbox looks quite tricky, I'd probably want espressotec to do it for me.  That'd bring the total, with labour, into the $60 - 70 range, re-begging the question, is it smarter to get a new machine altogether?

OR I can simply replace the adjustment ring and upper burr ring holder ($10 bucks total, easy home install) and see how that goes.  At that point, if I decide to get a new machine, I've only put $10 into the old grinder.  And I can still opt for the gearbox at anytime.

Craig, am curious what you recommend instead of a new Prescio.
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Posted Mon May 6, 2013, 2:53pm
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SuburbanLatte Said:

Craig, am curious what you recommend instead of a new Prescio.

I wasn't inferring or didn't mean to imply that the Preciso isn't good enough, (I've owned one for two years & not one problem with it!)., I just thought that you are going the route of replacing worn out parts on the Virtuoso.

Hi Sean,

I just sent an email to you on your Google account.

Cheers!
Sincerely,
Craig.



P.S. Great connecting & talking with you Sean around 7:25pm my time. ;)

 
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