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Posted Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:56am
Subject: HG One and OE Pharos
 

I am considering the purchase of an HG One or OE Pharos. My current grinder is an NS MDX which I like but also wanted to try conical burrs.


I know that the HG One is listed higher than the OE Pharos to the tune of $650 (rounded) and wanted to ask for feedback from the community to see if the incremental $'s are worth the investment in terms of taste. Just want to be clear: I'm not making a value judgement on the price points.


For me the HG One is a thing of beauty but I have to be practical as well.  There is also a difference in burr size 68mm for the OE Pharos and the HG One has two options  71mm and 83mm.

I know there is a thread on HB that goes into detail on the grinder but was looking for anyone on this board who has experience with both. Both Doug & Barb at OE and the folks at HG One are excellent to deal with.

Thanks in advance.
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Posted Mon Apr 22, 2013, 2:51pm
Subject: Re: HG One and OE Pharos
 

Hi. Sounds like you found this thread over on HB, but maybe you haven't checked out the other that explicitly compares both grinders?
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Posted Mon Apr 22, 2013, 7:42pm
Subject: Re: HG One and OE Pharos
 

That HB thread got locked after emotions got out of control.  One poster made his opinion LOUDLY known and created more backlash than any thread needs.

I have used both.  Both make great grinds.  The Pharos is a little harder to turn, but not by much.  Both are great looking designs.  All of this is my opinion, of course.

For what it's worth:  The Pharos is made in Idaho.  The HG-1 is primarily made in China.

I would love to have both, but chose the Pharos.

 
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Posted Tue Apr 23, 2013, 7:54am
Subject: Re: HG One and OE Pharos
 

Prof and JB thanks for the input...


I really like the Pharos but I wish it were simpler to get the grinds out.....I'll have to investigate the voodoo daddy mod. Has anyone here done it and is it difficult to do?

I think with the voodoo daddy mod and a template to mark your setting would make me go for the pharos since the savings are still significant.

I guess it's time to create an account at HB to get in contact with voodoo daddy

I read the HB thread yesterday and yes it got out of hand. Hopefully it will be restarted without all of the bantering.
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Posted Tue Apr 23, 2013, 9:01am
Subject: Re: HG One and OE Pharos
 

See my review and another one:
Click Here (www.coffeegeek.com)

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Posted Tue Apr 23, 2013, 9:14am
Subject: Re: HG One and OE Pharos
 

I've owned both.  You may want to read my detailed review here on CG - my opinion, nothing more.

As for build origin, the Pharos is *assembled* in Idaho, just as the HG One is *assembled* in California.  Both have parts sourced/manufactured abroad.

Depending on where you live you may be able to find someone nearby with a Pharos to try.  Mine was #375, and they are much higher in numbers now.  Finding a HG One to play with will be more of a challenge.  Used Pharos grinders, modded and stock, come up on the BST Forum, so keep a watchful eye there.
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Posted Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:36am
Subject: Re: HG One and OE Pharos
 

Thanks USC and Sean Connery. Excellent reviews. I like the aesthetics and the design of the HG One and for me I'd consider the OE Pharos only with the voodoo daddy mod. Would be too much of a hassle in my opinion without the voodoo daddy mod.
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Posted Wed Apr 24, 2013, 8:06am
Subject: Re: HG One and OE Pharos
 

The biggest challenge for Pharos AND HG-One is steadiness of the grinder during operation.
Pharos came up with bench brackets (‘pharos dogs’ (?)), HG-One owners are using anti-skid pads of sort.
I applied 3M mounting tape on the bottom plate of my HG-One and it keeps it on my granite counter top rock solid for a single hand operation. It is a semi-permanent positioning though…
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Posted Sat Apr 27, 2013, 7:19am
Subject: Re: HG One and OE Pharos
 

I am also interested in regards to comparisons regarding tast between these two different hand grinders. The HB threads have beaten the ergonomics question beyond death. I am curious about differences in the cup if there are any. Seeing as they are both conicals they may not.

Another question I have is a comparison of adjustablilty in order to dial in the shot.

Thanks for sharing your experiences. Personally I am not anywhere near anywhere that I can try either of these out.
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Posted Sat Apr 27, 2013, 4:30pm
Subject: Re: HG One and OE Pharos
 

Voodoodady's email is chan dot will at gmail dot com

I use an unmodified Pharos for brew more often than espresso. I have little trouble turning the handle or removing the grounds. It is harder to turn for espresso, but still not too difficult. Also, it is portable whereas the HG One is not. I may get an HG One at some point...quite nice.

 
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