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eieio
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Posted Wed Apr 17, 2013, 2:03pm
Subject: Grind Residue Issue: Capresso Infinity vs Baratza or other?
 

Dear All:

as a newcomer to the world of burr grinders, i bought my first burr grinder last week in order to grind properly for my Aeropress (been using a Chambord for years as well as drinking tea for years).

my purchase was the Capresso Infinity Conical Burr Grinder (die-cast aluminum version for heavier weight/less noise), but found immediately that the amount of residue ground retention in the burr chamber is way way too much!   i would estimate that there is around 2 TABLESPOONFULS of ground coffee in the burr chamber!   i have to sweep it with the tiny brush for around 2 minutes in order to get rid of these grinds for no stale leftover for the next use!   plus, the static is substantial.   when i wrote Capresso, i received a rude reply.  i was surprised.

i am receiving my Baratza Virtuoso today (soon) and am hoping that its retention of grinds in its burr chamber is far far less based on the various reviews that i read, including Mark Prince's review.

i also saw that the straight line design of the Kitchen Aid ProLine burr grinder is seemingly also great, but cannot find any information on how much grind residue there might be with the Kitchen Aid.

may i ask what brand/model might be the best combination of the least residue leftover,  very good grinding, low static?   the classic Rancilios, et al, are very mediocre in terms of really important practical day-to-day issues like grinds residue retention, etc.   I think many folks buy the "classic brands/models" because they have the first mover advantage and history, rather than being the most practical models with all the most current updates, i.e. low static, low grind retention of residue, etc.

look forward to your replies, and being educated by the kind folks on this forum.

thank you very much in advance.
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barkingburro
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Posted Wed Apr 17, 2013, 6:14pm
Subject: Re: Grind Residue Issue: Capresso Infinity vs Baratza or other?
 

V,

I've owned both KitchenAid Pro Line and Baratza Preciso grinders.  Based on my experience, you should be very happy with the Virtuoso.

The KitchenAid has very little static, but I still found it to have enough static to cause grounds to stick to the metal surrounding the glass output jar.  The Baratza seems to control static better, unless you grind for more than 30 seconds and let the output bin fill-up, in which case you will find the metal front plate now has a charge that can not only attract grounds right out of the bin but can shock you!  This generally isn't a problem for small servings, but I can see where grinding for 6 servings in one go could get annoying.

As far as grounds retention, the KitchenAid is still not as good as the Baratza grinder, provided you follow this routine:

1) Don't store beans in the hopper (reason should be obvious when you read next step).

2) Before grinding beans, run empty grinder, tilting it forward and "burping" it on the back to knock out any stale grounds.

3) Using a long, narrow pastry brush, clean the exit chute.

4) Grind the beans.

5) Repeat steps 2 and 3.

My Preciso generally retains approx. 1/10 gram of grounds.

Despite the "clear" exit path, my KitchenAid retained more grounds, because I couldn't clear the grounds very effectively, and they built-up around the mechanism.  The mass of all that metal actually made it prohibitive to try slapping the device to dislodge sticky grounds.

 
- Michael
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Posted Wed Apr 17, 2013, 7:18pm
Subject: Re: Grind Residue Issue: Capresso Infinity vs Baratza or other?
 

eieio Said:

my purchase was the Capresso Infinity Conical Burr Grinder (die-cast aluminum version for heavier weight/less noise), but found immediately that the amount of residue ground retention in the burr chamber is way way too much!

Posted April 17, 2013 link

Being my handle I was able to locate a refurbed Infinity for cheap, and the method I use leaves less than a gram of grinds in the burr chamber.  Basically it's just a small amount clustered around the bottom burr and in the space between the carousel and the body of the grinder.

I only put in the amount of beans I'm going to grind that session, and I simply tip the grinder forward (towards the grind cup) and gently tap around the sides as it runs through the last of the beans in the chamber.
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Posted Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:59pm
Subject: Re: Grind Residue Issue: Capresso Infinity vs Baratza or other?
 

barkingburro Said:

V,

I've owned both KitchenAid Pro Line and Baratza Preciso grinders.  Based on my experience, you should be very happy with the Virtuoso.

The KitchenAid has very little static, but I still found it to have enough static to cause grounds to stick to the metal surrounding the glass output jar.  The Baratza seems to control static better, unless you grind for more than 30 seconds and let the output bin fill-up, in which case you will find the metal front plate now has a charge that can not only attract grounds right out of the bin but can shock you!  This generally isn't a problem for small servings, but I can see where grinding for 6 servings in one go could get annoying.

As far as grounds retention, the KitchenAid is still not as good as the Baratza grinder, provided you follow this routine:

1) Don't store beans in the hopper (reason should be obvious when you read next step).

2) Before grinding beans, run empty grinder, tilting it forward and "burping" it on the back to knock out any stale grounds.

3) Using a long, narrow pastry brush, clean the exit chute.

4) Grind the beans.

5) Repeat steps 2 and 3.

My Preciso generally retains approx. 1/10 gram of grounds.

Despite the "clear" exit path, my KitchenAid retained more grounds, because I couldn't clear the grounds very effectively, and they built-up around the mechanism.  The mass of all that metal actually made it prohibitive to try slapping the device to dislodge sticky grounds.

Posted April 17, 2013 link

Michael,

Thanks for your detailed reply.  I wanted to email you directly but cannot find a way to do so, so i'm posting it here.

My Virtuoso arrived and I've just washed the bean holder, its lid, and the ground coffee holder, as well as the silicone ring (where the burrs are).  My next step this afternoon would be to "season" the burr by grinding 1/2 pound of coffee beans, as per the instructions.

It might be worth noting that I'm most interested in decaf beans as caffeine may increase one's blood pressure.  
Does the decaf process remove the beneficial flavonoids?  Is there something definitive about this topic?  I only buy Swiss Water Process Decaf, which I think is commonplace now as it is the only decaf offered by La Colombe, as well as the many decaf beans offered by Porto Rico Imports here in nyc.

By "long, narrow pastry brush", do you mean something like this:

Click Here (www.amazon.com)

Would the included round very stiff brush that comes with the Virtuoso be sufficient?  If you have not seen the included round stiff brush, i can take a picture and attempt to post it here.

I'm also very curious and interested in your Eva Solo blog write up, as well as finding out more about your Bunn Trifecta.  Using the Aeropress is my first effort to go outside of my french press (after not making coffee at home for a number of years, i decided to forgo my french press and try something well regarded as a first attempt to explore).  While I'm impressed with the robust, non bitter richness i'm getting from my Aeropress,  being the way I am, I'd like to continue my exploration and see if I can still improve significantly.

Most of all, ease of use, ease of service/clean up, minimal clean up, minimal weekly/monthly servicing, rich, robust, non bitter coffee (Americano - I enjoy a 8+ ounce cup of coffee rather than a shot or two of espresso, and I like the fact that I can sip it over, say, 10-15 minutes).

As such, I was quite taken by the Eva Solo discussion as well as the videos I found of the Clover and your Trifecta.  I'm awestruck as to how the Clover and Trifecta appear to be extremely well engineered machines!

Would like to hear more about your views and be educated more on this.

Thanks in advance.
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barkingburro
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Posted Thu Apr 18, 2013, 2:49pm
Subject: Re: Grind Residue Issue: Capresso Infinity vs Baratza or other?
 

V,

1) Can't answer as to decaf--insufficient knowledge.

2) Here is the pastry brush you should get:

click here (www.kitchenkapers.co.uk)

Here's why:

Size is perfect: 7" long overall, and bristles are 1.5" long.  Other brushes are either too long in the handle or too short in the bristles.

Quality is much better than local (U.S.) brushes:  I have owned one of these brushes for 8 years.  A year ago, I sought to buy a second brush for the office.  But I could not find it in the U.S.  The ones I did find had plenty of negative comments from buyers concerning skimping on bristles (i.e., too thin), or poor construction causing bristles to fall out.  So I kept looking and found my original brush on U.K. sites.  Both brushes appear to be nearly identical and have held up without any degradation.  Old world quality still matters.

3) The Baratza brush is stiffer and should be used to clean the burrs.  It is insufficient for cleaning the exit chute.

4) Thanks for your comments concerning my write-ups!  I have not used an Aeropress, but from all accounts, the Bunn Trifecta MB appears to be the only way you could improve over the Aeropress.  The two brewers are so similar that I think the comparison is valid.  I started out using the CafeSolo to brew coffee I liked, then switched to the Trifecta MB after a brief hands-on comparison.  Here comes a shameless plug for my blog.  Start here:

click here

And keep clicking on the next link at the end of each article.  You'll see my "Waiting for Trifecta" series, and finally the post where the Trifecta delivers a KO punch to my CafeSolo.  That pretty much tells the whole story (and then some).

Thanks again for your comments.  Hope you enjoy the blog!

 
- Michael
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Posted Thu Apr 18, 2013, 3:54pm
Subject: Re: Grind Residue Issue: Capresso Infinity vs Baratza or other?
 

barkingburro Said:

V,

1) Can't answer as to decaf--insufficient knowledge.

2) Here is the pastry brush you should get:

click here (www.kitchenkapers.co.uk)

Here's why:

Size is perfect: 7" long overall, and bristles are 1.5" long.  Other brushes are either too long in the handle or too short in the bristles.

Quality is much better than local (U.S.) brushes:  I have owned one of these brushes for 8 years.  A year ago, I sought to buy a second brush for the office.  But I could not find it in the U.S.  The ones I did find had plenty of negative comments from buyers concerning skimping on bristles (i.e., too thin), or poor construction causing bristles to fall out.  So I kept looking and found my original brush on U.K. sites.  Both brushes appear to be nearly identical and have held up without any degradation.  Old world quality still matters.

3) The Baratza brush is stiffer and should be used to clean the burrs.  It is insufficient for cleaning the exit chute.

4) Thanks for your comments concerning my write-ups! ...
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Thanks again for your comments.  Hope you enjoy the blog!

Posted April 18, 2013 link

Thx for your kind suggestion and link to the UK brush.   How did you order yours?  I'm in nyc!  wouldn't shipping one single brush be very costly?

i'm hoping that someone would have tried BOTH the Aeropress as well as the Eva Solo Cafe Solo so they may opine.
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Posted Thu Apr 18, 2013, 8:10pm
Subject: Re: Grind Residue Issue: Capresso Infinity vs Baratza or other?
 

eieio Said:

Thx for your kind suggestion and link to the UK brush.   How did you order yours?  I'm in nyc!  wouldn't shipping one single brush be very costly?

Posted April 18, 2013 link

I can't find the receipt, but I do recall paying double the price of the brush for shipping.  If you look hard enough, you'll find a U.K. store with reasonable shipping prices.  Or you can take your chances on this:

click here

...but I can't vouch for the quality.

 
- Michael
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Posted Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:18am
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barkingburro Said:

I can't find the receipt, but I do recall paying double the price of the brush for shipping.  If you look hard enough, you'll find a U.K. store with reasonable shipping prices.  Or you can take your chances on this:

click here

...but I can't vouch for the quality.

Posted April 18, 2013 link

barkingburro:

i've contacted the UK manufacturer and they are wholesale only and the various sellers' shipping to the US are very high, in the 26 pound range!

i found this:

Click Here (www.amazon.com)

do you think this looks about right for the purpose?

thanks again!
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Posted Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:49am
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eieio Said:

i found this:

Click Here (www.amazon.com)

do you think this looks about right for the purpose?

Posted April 20, 2013 link


That one seems to have quality issues.  You read the reviews, right?  Make your purchase based on how you would normally assess quality from Amazon reviews.

 
- Michael
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Posted Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:55am
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barkingburro Said:

That one seems to have quality issues.  You read the reviews, right?  Make your purchase based on how you would normally assess quality from Amazon reviews.

Posted April 20, 2013 link

I know this appears confusing as they look so similar, but i believe that that is not the case.  The "Paderno World Cuisine Pastry Brushe" is the one that has the quality issue, though there is only 1 review with 1 star.  This is the Paderno:

Click Here (www.amazon.com)


This one is the "Espresso Supply Grinder Brush, 7.5"", which garnered 76 reviews with 4 stars:

Click Here (www.amazon.com)


Have I misinterpreted what you were trying to say, may i ask?

Thanks again.
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