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hjkelly
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Joined: 1 Jan 2013
Posts: 17
Location: Raleigh, NC
Expertise: I like coffee

Espresso: Nuova Simonelli Oscar
Grinder: Baratza Vario
Drip: Aeropress
Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 5:52am
Subject: Re: My first espresso-suitable grinder purchase: Vario vs. Pharos?
 

jamierayo Said:

I highly doubt, however, that it will be taking the place of my Mazzer.

Posted April 14, 2013 link

If I had a Mazzer Mini already, I wouldn't be so worried, and probably wouldn't upgrade at all. :P

jamierayo Said:

The OP seemed to want the Baratza Vario over the Pharos, but just didn't want to spend that much. If that's the case, I still think a used Rocky would be a great alternative.

Posted April 14, 2013 link

I originally was looking at the Rocky, but reading around convinced me that, for the $400 range, it's washed up compared to the Vario.

After a day of contemplation, I'm inclined towards the Pharos. I don't know if I'd be able to tell the difference in taste between the Rocky, Vario, or Pharos. Given that I only have one shot at this, though, it seems worth the extra labor to know I'll never crave an upgrade due to taste, and I feel sure the Pharos would be more reliable over the next 10 years (vs. the Vario).

And as it turns out, my EC155 seems constantly choked lately, even when way under-tamped, so I may need to turn the unused $200 around and keep saving for my only espresso machine upgrade ever. (Sorry, wifey!)

Thank you all for your helpful advice!!

 
-Harrison
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JohnLyn
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JohnLyn
Joined: 15 Aug 2011
Posts: 243
Location: Golden, BC, Canada
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldy
Grinder: Vario
Drip: Bonavita
Roaster: Toastess popper
Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 7:18am
Subject: Re: My first espresso-suitable grinder purchase: Vario vs. Pharos?
 

COngrats. Sounds like a good choice. Please report back with regards to consistency, ability to set the grind, ergonomics and taste. I am also thinking of this grinder as an upgrade from the vario.
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emradguy
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emradguy
Joined: 31 Mar 2011
Posts: 3,172
Location: Houston
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Duetto II; Twist v2
Grinder: M Major, Macap M4, Pharos,...
Drip: Espro presses; Aeropress
Roaster: H-B "List of Favorites"
Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 7:50am
Subject: Re: My first espresso-suitable grinder purchase: Vario vs. Pharos?
 

hjkelly Said:

If I had a Mazzer Mini already, I wouldn't be so worried, and probably wouldn't upgrade at all. :P

Posted April 15, 2013 link

same here.  I would skip much higher if I were to upgrade from the Mini class.


hjkelly Said:

I originally was looking at the Rocky, but reading around convinced me that, for the $400 range, it's washed up compared to the Vario.

Posted April 15, 2013 link

yeah, it's washed up compared to the Preciso too...and the Lelit stepless in the same ballpark price range.

hjkelly Said:

After a day of contemplation, I'm inclined towards the Pharos. I don't know if I'd be able to tell the difference in taste between the Rocky, Vario, or Pharos. Given that I only have one shot at this, though, it seems worth the extra labor to know I'll never crave an upgrade due to taste, and I feel sure the Pharos would be more reliable over the next 10 years (vs. the Vario).

Posted April 15, 2013 link

Certainly can't tell the taste difference between two things without trying both, but you just have to trust those who have. You made the right choice by skipping over the Rocky.

hjkelly Said:

And as it turns out, my EC155 seems constantly choked lately, even when way under-tamped, so I may need to turn the unused $200 around and keep saving for my only espresso machine upgrade ever. (Sorry, wifey!)

Posted April 15, 2013 link

yet another good decision.  The EC155 is not up to the task, as you've found out.  However, tamp pressure has very, very little to do with making good espresso, as long as one does it consistently.  espresso is brewed in the 8-9bar pressure range, which correlates to approximately 135 psi.  You can't compete with that.  Your choke problem has a different source.  If you give us more info, maybe we can help you figure that out (a new thread is in order).  However, my initial suspicion lies in your machine needing one or more of the following: maintenance, cleaning, descaling. (assuming you haven't changed beans or grinder settings)

Thank you all for your helpful advice!!

 
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