Endtwo Junior Member Joined: 13 Mar 2013 Posts: 28 Location: Denmark Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: Apscaso uno steel prof Grinder: Mahlkönig Vario w/ceramic... Vac Pot: french press
Posted Sat Mar 16, 2013, 9:00am Subject: The search for the holy grinder...
Ahoy there, At the moment im in search for a complete first setup... Im seeking to not need to upgrade for a while so I wanna do this as good as I can the first time.
I did start a thread in the generel forum, called Taking the plunge However, it seemed not to be in general that good an idea, when I first revisited it. It has getting me some advise on both machine and grinde, but isnt as interesting as I thought (thank you guys for just mentioning that in a kind way).
It gave me some grinder advise, however it seems there never is a simple answer to a complicated question. Ive got a budget of about a 1000$, can stretch to 1100-1200 but would prefer not to. This has to cover grinder, espressomachine and accesories like knockbox and alike... Im thinking accesories can be done for about 100$.
So Ive narrowed it down to - Vario (safebet or) - Macap m2d
or go a little cheaper: - ascaso i2 - the rocky...
My needs will be making espresso with it... What to do and why?
IMAWriter Senior Member Joined: 4 Jul 2002 Posts: 5,462 Location: Brentwood, TN Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: Nothing at the moment Grinder: Vario-W,Preciso-Esatto/KyM... Vac Pot: Adcraft SS, Yama 8 cup Drip: Brazen.Chemex, Hario, Clever... Roaster: Behmor 1600, CO/UFO combo
Posted Sat Mar 16, 2013, 8:34pm Subject: Re: The search for the holy grinder...
Sune, good job getting your grinder start here. Truthfully, all the grinders mentioned will do fine, especially for the first year. That said, the grind quality and adjustability of some grinders are better than others. The Vario features nearly zero stale ground retention, so less waste and mess. It's espresso grind is equally as good as an $700 Mazzer SJ. Not sure what a Vario will cost where you are. Make sure it features the ceramic burr set, not the metal. (the latter is a new Baratza/Mahlkoenig version meant for the coarser grinding ranges.) Your grinder will take a big bite out of your budget, but it is THE essential tool in your espresso arsenal. A Vario and a Gaggia will get you closer to espresso nirvana than a $200 grinder and a $1000 machine.
Endtwo Junior Member Joined: 13 Mar 2013 Posts: 28 Location: Denmark Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: Apscaso uno steel prof Grinder: Mahlkönig Vario w/ceramic... Vac Pot: french press
Posted Mon Mar 18, 2013, 9:45am Subject: Re: The search for the holy grinder...
Thanks for the replies... As I cant get hold of a used mazzer and isnt that keen on used equipment (Ive got absolutely no idea of what to look for, to see if its been taken care of be previous owner(s)), it seems Vario is the answer. -Sune
MJJ Senior Member Joined: 2 Jan 2013 Posts: 22 Location: Montreal Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Rancilio Silvia PID Grinder: Baratza Vario Drip: Hario V60
Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 6:49pm Subject: Re: The search for the holy grinder...
+1 for the Vario You will get an excellent espresso grind from the Vario. I've owned lesser grinders and the difference has been easily noticeable. It's worth it to spend the extra money for this grinder rather than go cheaper. It won't last as long as a Mazzer but it's easy to get replacement parts for the Vario.
Definitely not the Rancilio Rocky, because even though it's capable of grinding fine enough for espresso, it's a stepped grinder with its steps being relatively wide, so you can get stuck in between two settings for proper extraction, which can be highly frustrating.
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