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shadowsnuzzy
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Posted Sun Jan 13, 2013, 1:33pm
Subject: Upgrade Rocky or Silvia?
 

I have a basic Rocky Silvia set up and I'm looking to upgrade. I know the grinder is considered more important, but given that I have a decent grinder already, is it better to upgrade my machine to something that has better temperature stability and maybe an e61?

If not, what grinders should I look into? My price cap is around 700-800, I'm fine with buying stuff used. I also am looking for a doser-less grinder that doesn't have a huge hopper, we just remodeled our kitchen so ideally I want a sleeker grinder. My rocky fits in pretty well aesthetically.

The Mahlkonig Pro M looks amazing, but it's too expensive :/

If I upgrade the grinder first, I will eventually upgrade my silvia but probably at least 1-2 years down the line.

Thanks
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Posted Sun Jan 13, 2013, 3:16pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade Rocky or Silvia?
 

You will see significantly greater improvement by keeping the Silvia longer, and upgrading the Rocky first, than the other way around . . .

 
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shadowsnuzzy
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Posted Sun Jan 13, 2013, 3:20pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade Rocky or Silvia?
 

Alright, as of now I'm using temperature surfing to brew... I guess the shots come out well, sometimes...

So what grinders do you recommend? The vario looks good but since I already have a rocky I think it's not that much of an improvement, got any in mind?
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Posted Sun Jan 13, 2013, 3:42pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade Rocky or Silvia?
 

shadowsnuzzy Said:

The vario looks good but since I already have a rocky I think it's not that much of an improvement, got any in mind?

Posted January 13, 2013 link

First recommendation is, "Think again."  There is no comparison between a Rocky and a Baratza Vario.

Other recommendations, however, would be to look at the following grinders:
-- Mazzer Super Jolly;
-- Compak K6; and,
-- Quamar M80E.

(among others)

 
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Posted Mon Jan 14, 2013, 1:39pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade Rocky or Silvia?
 

shadowsnuzzy Said:

I have a basic Rocky Silvia set up and I'm looking to upgrade. I know the grinder is considered more important, but given that I have a decent grinder already, is it better to upgrade my machine to something that has better temperature stability and maybe an e61?

Posted January 13, 2013 link

"Grinder is more important" means grinder is more important.  Definitely upgrade the grinder first.  The Rocky was decent a decade ago but not today (see any recent thread on the Rocky).  Not sure why but you seem to be overestimating the Rocky's capabilities.

shadowsnuzzy Said:

The vario looks good but since I already have a rocky I think it's not that much of an improvement, got any in mind?

Posted January 13, 2013 link

As stated above there's no comparing the two.  The Vario's frequently compared to the Super Jolly which is significantly better than the Rocky.  Upgrading from the Rocky to the Super Jolly was a major improvement for me.
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Posted Mon Jan 14, 2013, 5:19pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade Rocky or Silvia?
 

Okay so I'll upgrade my grinder first. The super jolly is way to big for my kitchen, got anything else in mind?
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Posted Mon Jan 14, 2013, 5:38pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade Rocky or Silvia?
 

shadowsnuzzy Said:

Okay so I'll upgrade my grinder first.

Posted January 14, 2013 link

Well, now that we're got that out of the way . . .  

shadowsnuzzy Said:

The super jolly is way to big for my kitchen, got anything else in mind?

Posted January 14, 2013 link

Uh . . .

takeshi Said:

The Vario's frequently compared to the Super Jolly which is significantly better than the Rocky.  Upgrading from the Rocky to the Super Jolly was a major improvement for me.

Posted January 14, 2013 link

Er . . .

JasonBrandtLewis Said:

There is no comparison between a Rocky and a Baratza Vario.

Posted January 13, 2013 link

Um . . .

JasonBrandtLewis Said:

Other recommendations, however, would be to look at the following grinders:
-- Mazzer Super Jolly; (OK, too big)
-- Compak K6; and,
-- Quamar M80E.

(among others)

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shadowsnuzzy
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Posted Mon Jan 14, 2013, 6:08pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade Rocky or Silvia?
 

The Compak k6 and Quamar don't seem well known, I've never heard of those models before. Also I couldn't find a doserless compak, and not many sites sell them. Plus it's on the very upper edge of my price range, I'm hesitant on dishing out 800 for something I haven't heard much about.

I want to like the vario, it's the perfect size, looks nice, grinds for french press and espresso easily, and has amazing programability but I've read a couple threads with people claiming it's a decent difference from the rocky but not worth it as an upgrade FROM the Rocky. Everyone agrees that given the choice between rocky and vario, vario wins.
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Posted Mon Jan 14, 2013, 6:14pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade Rocky or Silvia?
 

Not much in that price range over what was already stated. The hg-one, but looks like you'll have to wait for the second round of builds, as all sold out at the moment. The Pharos is another good option.
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Mon Jan 14, 2013, 6:53pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade Rocky or Silvia?
 

shadowsnuzzy Said:

Everyone agrees that given the choice between rocky and vario, vario wins.

Posted January 14, 2013 link

You can a horse to water . . .

ONE:

JasonBrandtLewis Said:

There is no comparison between a Rocky and a Baratza Vario.

Posted January 13, 2013 link

TWO:

takeshi Said:

As stated above there's no comparing the two.  The Vario's frequently compared to the Super Jolly which is significantly better than the Rocky.  Upgrading from the Rocky to the Super Jolly was a major improvement for me.

Posted January 14, 2013 link

Translation:
a)  Rocky ---> Super Jolly = "major improvement"
b)  "Vario frequently compared to Super Jolly"
c)  Ergo, Rocky ---> Vario = "major improvement"

THREE:
Read this

FOUR:

SpeedStar Said:

Check the Vario owner's thread.  "The Baratza Vario Grinder Owner's Thread"  It will get you the info you want.

Short answer, yes the Vario will be a great choice for you. I would say far superior to the Rocky.  I had the Rocky and now a Mini and the Vario and the Vario is what I use all the time now.

Posted October 5, 2009 link

FIVE:

TimEggers Said:

I've used both, and its Vario no doubt.  Don't even consider the Rocky if Vario is the cards.

Posted March 12, 2010 link

SIX:

robca Said:

I bought a Vario, then a (gently) used Rocky fell into my lap (long story). I cannot fathom anyone buying a Rocky over a Vario these days. There was a time when I'm sure the Rocky was at the cutting edge of the price/performance curve, but at the current price it's hopelessly outmatched by the Vario . . .

Posted December 29, 2010 link

Should I go on?

JasonBrandtLewis: icon_rolleyes.gif

 
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