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smasha
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Posted Tue Oct 23, 2012, 7:46am
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Hi

I have just purchased a second hand HX espresso machine (iberital) from ebay and am expecting delivery latter this week.  So next off I need a grinder.

From what I hear grinders are more important the espresso machines and I have come up with either the Mazer mini or Mahlkönig VARIO home grinders as decent home machines.

I am interested in the physically smallest home grinder (the HX espresso is big enough and my wife wont like me getting a huge grinder) that will do quality consistent grinds.

I would like to say money is no object, but it is .... but I do understand that I need to spend money to get a descent grinder so I am hoping for something circa £300 new or £150 second hand and then I can fit new burrs.

Once again size is important and the smaller the better.

If money was no object and size was still a constraint what other models should I consider ....

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Posted Tue Oct 23, 2012, 7:54am
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The Vario is smaller than the Mini and a lot of people here have the Vario and compare it's grind quality to that of the mini's bigger brother, the Super Jolly. I have not used the Vario so I can not say but I respect the opinion of the many here that like their Vario grinders so I can advise the purchase of one due to the opinions of those who I respect.

The Vario was designed as a home gridner and the Mazzer mini is, in my h.o. made stronger as it is all metal and there is a fair amount of plastic on the Vario. In the long run the mini may last longer but it has been several years now and some of the first buyers of the Vario are still happy. YMMV!

 
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Posted Tue Oct 23, 2012, 8:14am
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its funny cos after asking the questions I re-read the review at bella barista Click Here (www.bellabarista.co.uk)

it has swayed my to the mazzer mini.  The only issue with that is there are no second hand ones (without the doser) on ebay at the moment and a new one is £500 squid ....

also looking at the side by side pictures on the last page of the pdf shows it bigger but not too much bigger.
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Posted Tue Oct 23, 2012, 8:39am
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Dunno if it sways you or not but I was in the same predicament until last night. I found the mazzer mini on 1st-line for $500 shipped. I'm not sure if that would work out for you internationally but I found it impossible to pass up.

I've never personally used either grinder but I have fondled the Varios and they seemed like a very nice but cheapo home grinder where the Mazzer's seemed more like a machine to be used. I guess I'm a big old fashioned that I prefer plain metal over fancy plastic.

I guess I'll find out soon. Good luck to you, it's a big $$$  purchase to make without every trying one.

**EDIT- I just realized you were posting regarding the Mazzer mini without the doser. I obviously purchased the doser model. I have yet to figure out why the doserless version is so much more expensive.
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Posted Tue Oct 23, 2012, 8:47am
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yeah the solid construction from the Mazzer (what I have read anyway not seen - lol) is a bonus.  Similarly the vario with its plastic construction is a negative.

Also the Mazzer holds is value very well and replacement parts (burrs, hopper and funnel) seem to be readily available.

I am located in the UK and believe I would get slugged by customs for VAT and duty importing from across the atlantic. boo :(

best price here I have found is from caffe italia at £449 .....

oh and I want the doseless model so no left over grinds.   I believe the cost is cos of its electronic timmer.
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Posted Tue Oct 23, 2012, 9:17am
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Doser/Doserless  is a matter of how you like to work, rather than dose sparing.  You can easily use doser efficiently, so if that's your only reason for doserless, you should reconsider...and base your decision on how you like to operate the "bar".

 
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Posted Tue Oct 23, 2012, 9:26am
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smasha Said:

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best price here I have found is from caffe italia at £449 .....

oh and I want the doseless model so no left over grinds.   I believe the cost is cos of its electronic timmer.

Posted October 23, 2012 link

The price is very good and your grinder (Mini Electronic MOD. A) is a different category to Mazzer Mini because it has 64mm burrs (similar size to Super Jolly) in comparison to 58mm of the simple Mini.

 
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Posted Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:36am
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greekespresso Said:

The price is very good and your grinder (Mini Electronic MOD. A) is a different category to Mazzer Mini because it has 64mm burrs (similar size to Super Jolly) in comparison to 58mm of the simple Mini.

Posted October 23, 2012 link

so the bigger burrs is a bonus I guess .... but from what I can tell on the Mazzer website the mini and mini electronic mod A are the same physical size.  

To that extent getting the electronic mod a has two benefits - doser less and bigger burrs.  Is that correct or am I still missing something.

thanks all very helpfull indeedy ....
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Posted Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:50am
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smasha Said:

...  Is that correct or am I still missing something.
....

Posted October 23, 2012 link

Plus the timed dosing of course.

P.S. There are also reports that in Europe due to higher voltage the burrs can be changed with those from Super Jolly but I do not know how much of improvement that can be.

 
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Posted Tue Oct 23, 2012, 2:24pm
Subject: Re: grinder selection Mazer mini or Mahlkönig VARIO home or ....
 

Doser or doserless is a function of how you like to work and really, this is a personal choice. One is not better than the other, they are different. I have both and in the manual grinders, I tend to use the doser MUCH more than not. Then again there are a lot of people who LOVE their grinders without dosers, a personal decision but if you are worried about grind retention, that really isn't a big deal. You do NOT fill the doser and use it in the way it was intended to be used in a commercial establishment. We grind by dose so it is a handy holding place for our next shot while pulling a shot, and it is not used to measure the quantity of grounds for the shots. YMMV!

 
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