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Obrother
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Posted Mon Aug 27, 2012, 9:54am
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

Why not?  I can . . .

I have one of those for 25 yearss, and there is NO comparison -- the Baratza Vario is a MUCH better grinder . . . .

Posted August 27, 2012 link

You make a good point about the mdf... it still works after many years. So does mine. I guess you are lucky then because mine and my friends varios can't adjust grind with beans in it... I talked to baratza and they said that is normal. After a stepless mod on the mdf... it's a good grinder. Already my friends lcd is going bad...after a month. I don't remember seeing a belt on the mdf either. Lets see how long varios last without having to replace parts.
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Posted Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:00am
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Well, I do not have the "W" but the Baratza Vario, which I bought soon after they were first introduced.  It's worked perfectly since day one.

FWIW, you aren't supposed to adjust ANY grinder (at least, make a "finer" adjustment) with beans in the hopper unless the grinder is running.

 
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Obrother
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Posted Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:04am
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

Well, I do not have the "W" but the Baratza Vario, which I bought soon after they were first introduced.  It's worked perfectly since day one.

FWIW, you aren't supposed to adjust ANY grinder (at least, make a "finer" adjustment) with beans in the hopper unless the grinder is running.

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The grinder running while making adjustments is a "given" or generally understood.
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Posted Mon Aug 27, 2012, 6:15pm
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

you aren't supposed to adjust ANY grinder (at least, make a "finer" adjustment) with beans in the hopper unless the grinder is running.

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Sorry to threadjack, but now I'm curious...

Maybe I've been doing something wrong, but I've adjusted my Rancilio Rocky finer and courser with beans in it without it running. Unless I was blind, I didn't
see anything in the instruction manual which mentioned this. I even re-read the instruction manual and it doesn't mention anything about it. I haven't had to
recalibrate it yet and I haven't appeared to have broken anything.

Is this something which is just unique to the design and engineering of the Rocky as opposed to the Vario?

 
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Posted Mon Aug 27, 2012, 6:48pm
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qualin Said:

Sorry to threadjack, but now I'm curious...

Maybe I've been doing something wrong, but I've adjusted my Rancilio Rocky finer and courser with beans in it without it running. Unless I was blind, I didn't
see anything in the instruction manual which mentioned this. I even re-read the instruction manual and it doesn't mention anything about it. I haven't had to
recalibrate it yet and I haven't appeared to have broken anything.

Is this something which is just unique to the design and engineering of the Rocky as opposed to the Vario?

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Bud - It really applies to all grinders and has to do with the fact that there are still bits of partically crushed bean between the burrs when your adjusting. Adjusting finer, especially is a problem, as the first part of any new grind will be unever, not settling at the new grind fineness untill the bean bits that were between the burrs finish their path through. Less of a problem when adjusting coarser, but, of course, it means you'll have more fines at the coarser grind and you may get an overextracted shot (or cup). The traditional way to adjust is do it while the grinder is running, and toss what's ground while you're adjusting before grinding for the new shot/cup. Yes, it's some coffee waste, but not necessarily any more than if that first shot goes down the sink because you didn't do it that way.

At the speed at which the MD85 grinds (roughly 7 grams/second) that can be a lot of waste, so I don't switch from espresso to drip or press on that grinder.
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